[Joe 6-pack]

Lol...so their complaint with the Wrangler is ride comfort, wind noise, etc. In other words, they don’t like the Jeep because it’s a Jeep. If you want world class performance in a sports sedan you’re looking at paying hundreds of thousands of dollars. World class performance in a true production sports car will take you into the millions. But if you want world class performance in an off-road vehicle you can get a Rubicon starting around $40K. The complaints no doubt, come from the soccer mom mall crawlers who buy a Wrangler thinking its another khaki pants SUV, and then complain that it rides like an off-road vehicle originally designed to win wars, which is, at its core, what it is.

[SkyPilot]

Lol...so their complaint with the Wrangler is ride comfort, wind noise, etc. In other words, they don’t like the Jeep because it’s a Jeep. If you want world class performance in a sports sedan you’re looking at paying hundreds of thousands of dollars. World class performance in a true production sports car will take you into the millions. But if you want world class performance in an off-road vehicle you can get a Rubicon starting around $40K. The complaints no doubt, come from the soccer mom mall crawlers who buy a Wrangler thinking its another khaki pants SUV, and then complain that it rides like an off-road vehicle originally designed to win wars, which is, at its core, what it is.

Exactly. I read the complaint on the Wrangler, and it was just as you said. Moreover, they cite Consumer Reports in the second sentence as their justification. This is a joke.

Consumer Reports has been literally "At War" with Wrangler owners for years. The reason? The liberal green do-gooders at Comsumer Reports believe the Wrangler allows owners too much freedom that is "unsafe." CR writers heads explode when they see a Wrangler on the street with the roof and doors off.

If Consumer Reports had their way, they would have the Wrangler made illegal. "How dare these people drive these cars?!"

But they cannot make them illegal, so they publish (EVERY YEAR) a screed about how the Wrangler is noisy, does not drive like a mini-van, and has "safety" issues.

Moreover, this is definitely a liberal vs. libertarian issues. A friend of mine wanted to buy a Wrangler. He asked his wife, who said go ahead. She is a school teacher who hangs out with liberal cackling hens every day. She told her fellow teachers, who blew a gasket. She came home that very night, waving a copy of Consumer Reports. She also was spewing rhetoric that the Wrangler was not "environmentally friendly." It goes off road, you know, and "ruins" the pristine environment. And it only gets 19 mph a gallon! It is a Carbon Criminal.

[KC Burke]

Living in Arizona now, a Jeep is a real consideration. However, I have heard that the engine and transmissions are somewhat high maintenance with gasket and leakage problems that come up every year. What is everyones experience on newer models?

[dhs12345]

Well said.

Most “SUVs” these days are a compromise between a passenger car and an offroad vehicle with emphasis on the passenger part.

They lower the suspension so that it is easier to climb in and out of, lighten the metal so that it will get better gas mileage, etc.

They might do okay in the snow while driving around town but are definitely not offroad capable.