OREGON STANDOFF: Four remain under FBI siege, disputing PPN, Pete Santilli's arrest-First Amendment

At the outset, lets remember the four people who are still occupying the Harney County Resource Center (Malheur National Wildlife Refuge). There are a lot of people out there who want you to forget them, including some calling themselves their friends.

When you consider what they are doing now in comparison with the unusual activities of the "Pacific Patriots Network" in recent days, I'd say they are at least consistent right or wrong.

David Fry came out with new videos yesterday from the inside defiant and disputing what has been said in recent days by the Pacific Patriots Network. Fry said that PPN was spreading 'lies' and was 'compromised'.

The PPN had said they could not march into the refuge to get the people out on Saturday because the four had said they would "resist" any attempt to remove them.

Here is part of what David Fry said in a phone call he got out from the siege and was posted yesterday as a video on You Tube.

'.....We are not threatening people coming to this place. We never talked to PPN, we never made conversation with PPN....them making up lies about us, you know telling everyone to stand down after they had communication with us those are absolute lies, PPN is compromised absolutely and then to lie about us wanting to shoot all the people who are coming to escort us out absolutely a lie too. There's a whole bunch of lies going on. We're not going to shoot our own team, we're not going to...we don't plan on shooting anybody...we only plan to defend ourselves if the FBI came in and started to raid us or take us out of here... hell I don't know where these lies are coming from, but its obviously there's a lot of FBI trolls and shills and a bunch of misinformation people out there that are spreading that kind of stuff...."

In another video clip Fry was on camera saying he had just spoken with Rev. Franklin Graham. Of Graham, Fry said 'basically....he's a pretty good guy'.

Franklin Graham is reported to be a mediator in the FBI siege. His spokesman told the media last week Graham was talking to federal authorities and the four people still occupying the refuge.

Fry also called on federal authorities to 'get the hell out of Oregon' and for 'good people' to tell the 'evil' people to 'p**s off'.

Another video features an improvised sign declaring the occupation site "Camp Finicum" in honor of LaVoy Finicum, fellow occupier killed during an FBI led operation to arrest him on January 26th.

Fry smells the FBI in PPN, but maybe they do the work of the GOP to keep a lid on protests and discredit them for the sake of peace in election years. JFK undermined Martin Luther King's Albany, GA protests in 1962 and sent the FBI after MLK in 1963 for the sake of the Democrat Party.

I am not for violence, I prefer non-violence and will stand by my convictions in the midst of this, but will not be silent about the federal control of the western lands and the western farmers and ranchers, driving them into what amount to "reservations" and destroying their way of life like Native Americans were in a previous age.

The Burns Piute Indians hearken to the past in their attack on Ammon Bundy and the occupation of the refuge published over the weekend by "OregonLive/The Portland Oregonian". They speak of their past possession of the land before others took it and they also have accused the occupation of desecrating artifacts of their tribe.

Early in the occupation, Ammon Bundy told the media that he was concerned about the issues the Piutes raised and was "reaching out" to the tribe.

Perhaps the problem with these Native Americans is that their leadership is really politically biased towards the Left and dependent on the federal government for their existence. So we get a denunciation of the occupation.

The educational efforts of the occupation that Ammon Bundy wanted to spread included the notion that land should be under local control, not federal control in Harney County.

In that context perhaps the concerns of the Native Americans could be taken into account.

Getting back to David Fry, I wanted to share his sentiments during an interview conducted last Monday.

Fry's observations about the media and politics in this country startled the heck out of me.

"....The media..they've got everything, they've got everybody all divided into Republicans and Democrats and they've got the media for the Republicans and the media for the Democrats. The people need to realize that the media is keeping the people arguing for stupid little reasons and they keep people divided constantly so, so that the powers that be the main people pulling the strings always have power over the people because the people are fighting and people need to get past that, the environmentalists you know their Democrats, I love the Democrats and Republicans, they both have traits that are needed, but they both equally have bad traits and so when one president, you know when one president.uh when one president... Republicans..the bad traits of that side is exposed and then it goes back to the Democrats....the Democrats are exposed and keeps bobbing back and forth..."

Its hard for me, someone who believes we have a Uniparty of pretend differences exaggerated by media between the two major parties, to disagree with that portion of Mr. Fry's opinion.

I see a 100 percent bad Democrat Party and a 95 percent bad Republican Party. I happen to support Cruz for President and might support Trump, beyond that I see nothing good running for POTUS.

Deb Jordan, an associate of Pete Santilli, posted a video Saturday night. She's been visiting the online broadcaster in jail telling viewers: "I'm live from Portland, Oregon where Pete is being held a political prisoner...."

Santilli and the others arrested last month like Ammon Bundy are being held at the Multnomah County Jail in Portland, the holding facility for federal prisoners in Portland. They are in solitary confinement separated from the other prisoners. Jordan says she believes its for the best, not knowing how the other prisoners might react. For most of the time, up to 23 hours a day, the prisoners are in their cells.

Pete Santilli's prosecution for his videos on the occupation has apparently caught the eye of the American Civil Liberties Union. Jordan says they are joining with Santilli's lawyer Tom Cohen in his defense.

Freedom of Speech, which is Santilli's First Amendment right, appears to be under attack with his indictment for involvement in the occupation of the wildlife refuge based on his videos.

Jordan says in the video discussing Pete Santilli's case: "it sets a precedence for everybody who practices free speech, everybody who is a podcast journalist or a You Tuber, anything like that you know if you're a freelance, independent this case should interest you because what happens here is what the country is going to go by in the long run is what we're thinking..."

She also said: "I'm going to be reaching out to a few people here in the next few days, people that I normally wouldn't be reaching out to but it's important that people in alternative media understand what's happening here and how this is going to affect them in the future, anybody who goes to any kind of protest and they report live and may have an opinion or they're sympathetic to the cause they're going to be running the risk of being surveilled by the FBI and the government building a case against them as journalists just because they are sympathetic or supportive."

I can add from my own experience watching radio preacher Dr. Carl McIntire have his radio station shut down by the Federal Communications Commission on Fairness Doctrine grounds in 1973 these words from the preacher himself.

"Freedom is everybody's business, your business, my business, the church' business and a man who will not use his freedom to defend his freedom, does not deserve his freedom."

Also....Ammon Bundy phoned from jail to thank those who have contributed to his legal defense a defense he described this way: "We stand on the very position that we have the right to redress our government officials, that we have the right to assemble peacefully and that we have the right to bear arms." Bundy said his legal defense fund hopes to use its resources to answer questions about federal land ownership and help expose the injustices done to the jailed Harney County ranchers-the Hammonds (Dwight and Steven).

I hope Graham can get them out of there.

Like you say, this is no hill to die on.

I hope so too. It just sickens me at the thought of the FBI going in there and murdering more people. One was too many. The only thing that may come out of this is the American public realizing how truly evil the US government really has become.

22 posted on 02/08/2016 8:49:43 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)

There has been misinformation and virtual blackout on what has already happened. America though killing religious nuts at Waco was fine after the way they saw it presented in the media.

They could kill those remaining people and conceivably, it would not even make the news.

That’s why a TRIAL for wrongful death of Finicum, even if a civil trial, would garner attention.

Yes and I’m sorry to say that I thought Waco was necessary for the longest time til I finally wised up. They just could not convince me on Ruby Ridge. Since then I have seen and experienced things that have really opened my eyes. But the govt likes to act in the shadows and the media aid and abets it. We do need sunshine on their cowardly actions and you are right about a civil trial.

This current situation in Burns is bad because if you are going to succeed in civil disobedience you need numbers and you need public support. If 300 people were sitting out in the wildlife refuge and the whole community was out in the streets then CNN and Fox would be there and things would be different.

25 posted on 02/08/2016 8:58:42 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)

Something else I forgot to add in my earlier post.

A one hour internet show last Monday featured David Fry and at one point his parents came on the line to talk with him.

Fry’s father said: “We’re proud of you.”

William Fry told the media last week that his son is no different from anyone who thinks ‘our country is going in the wrong direction’.

‘He believes it so strongly he is willing to stand up with the hope that these actions might wake the nation up and lead others to get involved to change our country’s course.’

Their case at Bundy’s ranch was more understandable for people, I think. They’d used it for years, they had cattle on it, and now the government was shutting them out, killing their cattle, and pretending the range was all theirs all the time.

And it was BUNDY’S own ranch that was the issue.

In Burns they’re holed up in a shack in the woods and no one is really informed about what they’re trying to accomplish, and they know that it isn’t these people’s OWN property that the government’s seizing.

I think they planned a weak operation and then it got even weaker.

I believe that he believes it.

1. What does he believe he’s doing this for?

2. What does America believe he’s doing this for?

I totally agree. The Bundy ranch was a total govt overreach and everybody recognized it. There were literally hundreds of protestors and miitia that showed up.

There is a reason the Oathkeepers and the Three percenters are not getting involved in this. Stewart Rhoades and Mike Vanderboegh tried numerous times to talk some sense into Aaamon Bundy but he would not listen. Now he’s likely going to get railroaded into prison along with his brother and a few others and a person has been murdered by the FBI.

29 posted on 02/08/2016 9:22:11 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)

31 posted on 02/08/2016 9:40:50 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)

Rallies/memorials for LaVoy Finicum are being held all across the US. Here is a Constitutional Sheriff speaking in New Mexico. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHhe6HBWCtY&feature=share

This includes Eye Witness Shawna Cox. http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/02/30_minutes_of_chaos_witness_de.html

Cowboys riding in support of LaVoy Finicum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hglO5FCYquA80

There are at least 80 riders and the funeral was attended by 2000-3000 people.

The Finicum family are brave, God fearing Patriots!

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