Posted on 01/26/2016 6:15:16 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo
I have been given first shot at a Primary Weapons Systems PWS MK114 rifle in .223 Wylde.
I've always wanted something like this but know nothing about them.
Good, bad or otherwise, please share your vast and valuable knowledge.
Thank you all, in advance.
You can get an AR that will shoot better than you do for $600 all day long.
nope ..... 223 Wylde is a chamber that gets the best out of 5.56mm Surplus or Commercial 223 factory ammo in a 1:8 twist barrel.... its a good thang !
Is "Wylde" the barrel maker?
Buy it.....:o)
Well, not sure. Have to do more research on it.
Which one was that?
OK...That’s 1 vote FOR.
It’s a chamber dimension designed to get performance across a wide range of .223/5.56 loadings.
All you need to go with this kit is a lower. You can get those for 50 bucks plus transfer fee. That makes this a $475 AR. I guaranty it will shoot as good as the PWS.
I just saved you about $1000. You’re welcome.
And to quote my old friend smokingfrog “If Eugene Stoner thought this rifle needed a gas piston, he’d a put one on it.”
Three Lefts,
My experience with PWS products covers the last two months or so. The story I have doesn’t reflect well on the quality of the products, in this case one of their piston .308s. I don’t have experience with their .223s.
First off, my feeling is that if Eugene Stoner thought a piston design was better than gas impingement, we’d all be shooting piston ARs.
Here’s the short story. Customer brought in a PWS piston .308 complaining of accuracy issues. He’s an exceptional, experienced rifleman and gun guy who can routinely shoot 1/4” or less groups with most anything. He couldn’t get this one under 1.5”. He accepted the fact that a piston gun will never shoot as well as an impingement like model.
He wanted a trigger job and analysis. The geometry of the PWS 308 trigger lightens the tension on the trigger group pins and they walked after 12 rounds, jamming the gun.
The piston on the PWS is two parts and the front part *may* bounce around inside the gas tube causing extra vibration in the barrel. (just a theory - impacts accuracy)
After several emails and being shuffled to higher management, he sent the gun back (and he paid around $2500 for it). They promised they would fix it. He got emails back showing his gun’s test target that looked pretty good, about 3/8” at 100 yds.
Then he got the gun back. They replaced the upper with one that I think was some kind of test or demo model. Thick with oil and carbon. Nasty. (For those who have been on a military firing line shooting M-60s with the AI running up and down the line with a spray bottle full of Break Free, you’ll know what I mean).
When he disassembled it to wipe it down, the BCG and piston came out in two pieces - it was broken.
Bottom line, the company shipped a dirty, broken, upper back to a customer and called it good. After a colorful email, one of the company owners called him and the result was a full refund and the gun has been sent back to PWS.
Kudos to them for refunding it, but the process to try and get it fixed took several weeks, lots of shipping, and the end result didn’t fix anything. I think the company means well, but they’re playing with an AR design that just has too many complications.
Lessons?
1. Would I buy one? I won’t buy their products, having worked on them. Others no doubt have better quality examples.
2. Like I said, if Eugene Stoner wanted a piston driven rifle, he would have designed one for us.
Kit.
I second the Wyndham! And you can get it in .308
That’s mighty pricey. I got my Rock River for about 2/3 of that price and it has functioned flawlessly. My advice would be spend less money on the rifle and put the difference into optics, ammunition, range time, and training.
I’d also recommend you buy one chambered in 5.56mm instead of the Wilde. 5.56 will safely fire commercial .233. IMO the Wilde is a solution in search of a problem.
Good luck.
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It’s too expensive for what it is, and I don’t mind spending a lot for good firearms.
Thanks for your time putting your post together.
The rifle in question was referred to me by someone I work with. Knows some about guns. The rifle in question is owned by a friend of his, they fired 80 rounds to sight it in. The guy I work with said it was a blast to shoot, no problems.
Tomorrow, I’ll ask the question...WHY is he selling it.
Again, Thanks.
Pretty much what I have read in the past few hours.
Thanks.
The Mills Fleet Farm stores sell a line of AR’s that are manufactured for sale only by Mills. Huldra.
Anybody have any experience with this affordable line of firearms?
I think the Wylde will shoot up to an 80 grain round at higher pressures. Why spend $1450 on an AR to shoot .223 or 5.56 when you can spend a lot less? I don’t get it. Unless you want to load your own or search for hard to find ammo. To each his own.
If you have a Rock River, it probably has a Wylde chamber.
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