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Obama by Another Name is Still a Bad Idea
Vanity | 1/24/16 | pgyanke

Posted on 01/24/2016 8:51:48 AM PST by pgyanke

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To: pgyanke

Amen


41 posted on 01/24/2016 10:20:47 AM PST by jstaff
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To: pgyanke
Blah, blah, blah, Trump, Alinsky, Blah, Blah, Blah, concerned, blah, blah . . .

Trump isn't the one who paid top dollar to a group that surreptitiously gathers information to build psychological profiles of people and uses such data in their campaign. For someone who is concerned that people don't dig deeply, seeing the trigger word Alinsky like it's horrible is just an absolute joke.

Such tactics are widely known and widely used these days, even by regular posters on FR. Ted doesn't use them ? Please, he walks in and out of the Alinsky manual in every speech and has in every debate.

Does that, per chance, make you concerned about Ted surfing along on the wave of a personality cult ? When Ted hits the rough air he brings in Beck who is a part of that whole dominion cult rather than someone like Sessions. You want to talk about cults, read up on the gang Beck and Ted's dad are part of then get back to me.

Rather than being "concerned about FR" you need to get concerned about whether you even understand what digging deeply means and it sure doesn't mean digging for what supports your preconceptions and preferences rather than digging for facts.

have a wonderful day

42 posted on 01/24/2016 10:37:48 AM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: pgyanke

I am a Nativist.

“First generation off the boat anybody” who does not have a generation of separation between them and the boat that carried their progenitors disqualifies them.

Obama disqualified himself, to those who could read more than two syllable words, in the printing of his own book.

I have a blood-hate for Socialists and Communists, which include at present, Obama, Hillary and Sanders.

After watching Governor Blanco in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, a former Portland Oregon Mayor Vera Katz - who was an East German escapee, and both Hillary and Fiorina, I am witness enough to the idea that skirts do not belong in the Oval Office.

The lawyers that have become, and just might become members of Congress, or a President, are part of the continuing lawfare enacted upon the People of America.

The non-elected, appointed/annointed bureaucrats who have curried favor to have their titles bestowed on them, by these same folks, are so much of the problems with their ineptitutdes and failures to perform their duties, unless it is to further litigate against the People, that these individuals need to be removed from office, forcibly, in front of the cameras.

Therefore, I am not looking a demigod, demagogue, thaumaturge, soothsayer, priest/pastor wannabe.

The business of America, as it was heralded from my youth, is, to make as much money as you can, which in turn means you have more to spend on the necessities and things of your likings, in that order, which gets spread around.

Since Obama, the business of America has become the raping of the moneymaker and the stolen rewards going to the porch-sitter of the color of the day.

Therefore, I’m voting W.A.S.P.


43 posted on 01/24/2016 10:39:05 AM PST by Terry L Smith
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To: JoSixChip

Your post is Exhibit A.


44 posted on 01/24/2016 10:41:51 AM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: Awgie
Please make your case.

Sure. Donald Trump does not have a consistently conservative background. Some will say that is the same as Ronald Reagan who was once a Democrat. The difference is that Reagan never compromised on principle. He didn't have to leave the Democrat Party... it left him. That isn't Trump. Go back through his history and you can find support for nearly every cause you either agree with or don't (flipped on abortion... still supports Kelo). He is an opportunist who supports what supports him. If Donald Trump has been consistent in anything it has been support for Donald Trump.

Archie Bunker was a conservative icon in his time. He said completely politically-incorrect things on "All in the Family" and conservatives loved him. The problem is that his character was written by a Leftist and played by a Leftist. Their position was to have him play a caricature of a "backwards", racist guy... and we loved it. If we voted for this character, we would have gotten a Leftist.

By taking different positions on principle, Donald Trump is a blank slate. He is who he says he is. That is the same as Obama. Those who have buyer's remorse over Obama have it because they had a different picture of "hope and change" than he had. Obama promised things would change. He was short on specifics... but that didn't matter. Trump does the same. He has given us very few specifics on HOW he will do all that he says he will do.

DT is not a politician. We like that. Unfortunately, that also means he hasn't taken policy positions to policy implementation. He has talked a lot and his actions have only been to his benefit.

I am not a Donald Trump hater. I am simply a skeptic and, given the circumstances, I thought there would be more on FR who shared my skepticism.

45 posted on 01/24/2016 10:52:49 AM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: Awgie

Well they are both narcissistic and both have a cult following. Trump is a great business guy while Obama is a lifetime bureaucrat so there is that. Neither passes the basic test of respecting the right to life, liberty and property. Both seem to be decent fathers. Trump is a better golfer though.


46 posted on 01/24/2016 10:57:05 AM PST by jwalsh07 (.w)
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To: pgyanke
I really don't know why there is any condemnation of Alinsky tactics. Certainly Alinsky's goals stunk, but his tactics were very effective and by-and-large perfectly legal.

If Trump is successfully using Alinsky tactics then bully for him.

When Dukakis was running against Jesse Jackson in the California primary, and it still looked like Dukakis might be a formidable opponent to Bush, I thought about switching my registration to vote for Jackson in hopes of tilting the primary in favor of the easier-to-beat candidate.

There were some older Republican women running a voter registration booth in front of a grocery store, so I went up to them and told them what I planned to do and would they help me re-regsiter.

They scowled and harrumphed and told me I was desecrating the election process for trying to vote strategically.

Well that sort of namby-pamby, pollyannaish thinking probably has something to do with Clinton surviving impeachment and Obama getting elected president.

47 posted on 01/24/2016 11:09:46 AM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: pgyanke
Thank you for your thoughtful reply. I just finished listening to Donald Trump in Iowa speaking live to a huge audience. I have tuned into several of his rally’s via YouTube.

Today Donald was the most composed and articulate presentation he has made. He spoke for over an hour from his heart. Just as you and I would do if we had our chance to speak and persuade people.

I have watched him evolve, grow and hone his message. He has proved how quickly he can study, master and dominate a subject or situation.

I would encourage you to look at his talk today. I think you will walk away with a different feeling.

48 posted on 01/24/2016 11:13:32 AM PST by Awgie (truth is always stranger than fiction)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
If Trump is successfully using Alinsky tactics then bully for him.

Against conservative Republicans?

49 posted on 01/24/2016 11:22:06 AM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: pgyanke

No, I’m sorry, you are not a skeptic, you are a “my mind’s made up don’t distract me with the facts guy”. So many half truths and lies.

Trump was never for abortion, he was like many men unwilling to impose his opinion on a women’s issue in 1999-2000, right to choose. Then after an interview he decided he was wrong and he came out as pro-life, this became even stronger after a friend’s experience. He is and has always been an opponent of gay marriage but willing to allow civil unions and shared benefits. He believes in the rule of law and has said since the recent decision that its the law of the land “I guess” but that he doesn’t agree with it.

If you look carefully at Trump’s positions he is a very conservative man who believes in traditional marriage, individual responsibility, a government that serves the people rather than visa versa. This is a man that doesn’t smoke, doesn’t drink, works hard, has a stellar reputation in the business world for honoring his commitments and has shown his kindness and generosity, untrumpeted, far & wide. Most importantly this is a man who loves America and who has the business experience, drive and chutzpah to start the cleansing of the stables and the rescue of American vets, military, schools and foreign trade.

Not to mention “the wall” ITS YUGE.

Pretty damn consistent from 2000 til now.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Donald_Trump_Abortion.htm
http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Donald_Trump_Education.htm
http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Donald_Trump_Immigration.htm

1990-now
http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Donald_Trump_Principles_+_Values.htm


50 posted on 01/24/2016 11:22:17 AM PST by JayGalt
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To: JayGalt
No, I’m sorry, you are not a skeptic, you are a “my mind’s made up don’t distract me with the facts guy”. So many half truths and lies.

Thank you for clearing that up for me. Your pseudonym is clear to me as well.

51 posted on 01/24/2016 11:29:43 AM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: pgyanke

No worries. I loved Ayn Rand as a teen, lessons there pro and con. I think a bit of Ayn Rand is part of a balanced mind set. Don’t confuse passion with attack. I was raised to defend my positions with vigor. If I am going to cast aspersions on someone as you do on Trump I’m going to have chapter & verse lined up first.


52 posted on 01/24/2016 11:36:23 AM PST by JayGalt
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To: pgyanke

But, but, b-b-b-but she has lady parts.


53 posted on 01/24/2016 12:02:52 PM PST by DPMD
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To: IC Ken

Be careful of those Nigerians promising to give you their laundered money. They don’t really mean it.


54 posted on 01/24/2016 1:58:39 PM PST by Stepan12 (Our present appeasementof Islam is the Stockholm Syndrome on steroids.)
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To: Stepan12

I sure will. And you be careful of preachers offering the keys to heaven (for a price).


55 posted on 01/24/2016 4:41:29 PM PST by IC Ken
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