Posted on 01/18/2016 3:51:31 PM PST by SeekAndFind
That’s for autoconfiguration. In due time, IPv6 public address space will be tightly controlled by IANA much the same way IPv4 is now. I don’t disagree that it’s much more “anonymous,” but considering every device could have it’s own IP, there’s already talk of marrying MAC to IPv6 which would completely remove anonymity.
I don't think they'll be able to convince people to give up NAT and proxy servers at the network boundary. As long as you've got those you do enjoy some degree of machine anonymity.
The idea behind IPv6 was to remove the need for NAT, as there are drawbacks with NATting that IPv6 overcome. I agree with you, though. A Class B /24 is more than sufficient for most corporate networks.
We went with Class A, not because we needed that many addresses, but because it made it easier to come up with an addressing scheme that made company and branch locations implicit in the address.
Perhaps, but I suspect the courts will determine that, not you or me. It breaks with industry practice and Microsoft's own espoused beliefs about customer support. That in and of itself isn't illegal, but some very unhappy people may want to have an official reading on it.
> Eventually companies stop making drivers for their stuff on older OSes.
Of course they do -- WHEN NOBODY CARES ANY MORE and they're not using the older OSes. Windows 7 is still the biggest -- most widely used, most popular, hell, the most loved -- single OS in all of Windows-land. It took that title from XP, and it had to work hard for it, but once it got it, it ain't letting go.
Or haven't you been paying attention?
> It's necessary, downward compatibility is a drag on the industry.
Yes, eventually, but not nearly this soon -- for Windows 7 that would come in about five more years. Say, around 2020 when the security updates are supposed to stop, except that Microsoft is going back on their already lousy word and saying they're going to not actually release those updates unless they feel like it.
For Windows 8.1, the end will come a lot sooner, because it's been soundly rejected hither and yon.
Just so you know, I like Windows. I work on Windows, and administer a lot of Windows systems, every day for a living. But I can't stand foolish Microsoft apologists (or foolish Apple or Linux or Unix apologists, BTW).
That train left the station long ago on a one-way trip. Not only have all the horses run out of the barn, they took the barn with them.
There's simply no justification for IPv6 now, except loss of anonymity because every IP is public. It means you have to go to greater lengths (e.g. a proper stateful firewall) to get a little privacy.
That might have sounded like a great idea a decade or two ago, but now? Yagaddabekiddinme.
All it will do now is create massive confusion, and a niche market in IPv6 NAT routers (which for all I know, already is cranking up).
“That’s for autoconfiguration. In due time, IPv6 public address space will be tightly controlled by IANA much the same way IPv4 is now. I don’t disagree that it’s much more ‘anonymous,’ but considering every device could have it’s own IP, there’s already talk of marrying MAC to IPv6 which would completely remove anonymity.”
You don’t know what you’re talking about. The top 64 bits are used for inter-network routing. The lower 64 bits are already the MAC address by default. The anonymity features, which are ALREADY AVAILABLE allow you to replace the MAC address with random bits every few hours, making you impossible to track over time.
For instance, see:
https://www.sixxs.net/faq/connectivity/?faq=rfc3041
Clear?
“There’s simply no justification for IPv6 now, except loss of anonymity because every IP is public.”
The justification is we simply need a lot more IP addresses.
Read #67 to find out why your concerns are baseless. No router needed.
Ummmm......does that somehow make your device useless today or tomorrow, or two years from now?
What we are talking about here is new architecture in computers and devices not even on the market yet. not the stuff you own now.
Will you one day be required to migrate to a win 8 device?
You betcha.....but not today, or tomorrow or 2 years hence if your old one is still running.
This is the definition of a tempest in a teapot.
I meant to say win 10...not 8...as it is obsolete.
You’re talking about autoconfiguration. Are you not aware that you can change your IP address?
IPv6 is native in most modern operating systems. Microsoft even recommends that you leave IPv6 as-is and allow it to autoconfigure. In a flat network, this allows a second channel for communications. In most Cisco equipment I’ve seen, IPv6 is enabled and moves along all layers of the stack with ease. If you don’t configure it, that doesn’t mean it’s not working.
NATting was invented to fix the issue of IP address exhaustion. There are numerous advantages to using IPv6 over NAT, but you’re right, most corporations are going to be hard-pressed to migrate to IPv6 any time soon or for any good reason.
The courts HAVE determined that in multiple cases over the year. The line between partnership and collusion is well defined, and this is a partnership. It doesn’t break ANY industry practice, eventually ALL old hardware and software fall out of support with new hardware and software. All they’re doing is defining that day as “real soon, now even”. Which also doesn’t break anything they espouse about customer support. People keep acting like MS is taking old Windows away, they are not. If you have old Windows on a computer you can keep it until the smoke comes out, all they’re doing is defining the date when new hardware won’t support old Windows.
NOT when nobody cares anymore. Because that day never comes. There are parts of the US government still running DOS machines with 5 1/4 floppies. The cut off date is when the COMPANY decides it’s in THEIR best interest. And of course, MS has NOT ended support for Win 7, they’re simply encouraging hardware makers to end THEIR support. I am paying attention, more than you apparently.
This soon is fine. There’s no reason to drag new hardware down forcing them to make drivers for old OSes. There’s a VERY big reason to cut off Windows 7: it’s the last version of Windows to support 32-bit, by cutting it off the hardware vendors can go pure 64-bit and save themselves a LOT of money.
8.1 isn’t nearly as rejected as people like to say. Yeah it wasn’t met with enthusiasm like 7, but it’s got a fine install base.
Just so you know, I work in the software industry. Specifically I work in the hardware integration section of the software I work on. These kind of EOL talks are ones I’ve participated in. There’s always some customers (sometimes big customers) screaming “WAIT”, but decisions need to be made, and we have to control our own costs by not supporting old hardware that doesn’t make us money anymore.
“You’re talking about autoconfiguration. Are you not aware that you can change your IP address?”
I’m talking about the IPv6 anonymity features, in direct contradiction to the misinformation you spouted in #61.
Clear now?
No, and I’m not going to continue this palaver.
Fine.
For the record, the key points are:
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