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Microsoft says new processors will only work with Windows 10 (starting with Skylake)
The Verge ^ | Jan 16, 2016 | Dante D'Orazio

Posted on 01/17/2016 6:38:49 AM PST by dayglored

Soon, when you buy a new PC, it won't support Windows 7 or 8. Microsoft has announced a change to its support policy that lays out its plans for future updates to its older operating systems, and the new rules mean that future PC owners with next-generation Intel, AMD, and Qualcomm processors will need to use Windows 10.

It's not usual for old PCs to fall short of the minimum requirements of a brand new operating system, but in this case, the opposite is happening. Microsoft and its partners will not be putting in the significant work necessary to make new hardware work with older versions of Windows. The old operating systems, at best, will merely lack the latest updates. At worst, they might not function properly.

"Going forward, as new silicon generations are introduced, they will require the latest Windows platform at that time for support," Microsoft notes in a blog post published on Friday. "Windows 10 will be the only supported Windows platform on Intel's upcoming 'Kaby Lake' silicon, Qualcomm's upcoming '8996' silicon, and AMD's upcoming 'Bristol Ridge' silicon."

This new policy doesn't mean that Windows 7 and 8.1 are no longer supported in general. The two operating systems will continue to get updates through January 14, 2020 and January 10, 2023, respectively. But that's only if you're using hardware that was contemporaneous with those operating systems.

For current PC owners, the detail to note is that Intel's current, sixth generation processors, known as Skylake, are the first that won't support either of the older versions of Windows. (Intel and Microsoft say that the [Skylake] platform and Windows 10 were designed for each other.) Microsoft is phasing in the policy now.

For the company's all-important enterprise customers, who often lag behind on hardware and software updates in order to guarantee stability, Microsoft says it will be maintaining a list of approved Skylake systems that are guaranteed to have Windows 7 and 8.1 support through July 17, 2017. That gives companies an 18 month grace period to buy modern hardware for employees before committing and implementing upgrades to Windows 10.

After the grace period, only "the most critical Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 security updates will be addressed for these configurations, and will be released if the update does not risk the reliability or compatibility of the Windows 7/8.1 platform on other devices." Companies and consumers, of course, can still buy older PC hardware that doesn't utilize Intel's Skylake platform or other modern CPUs — the last generation of supported Intel processors are known as Broadwell, and those chips are still widely available.

The policy change not only makes Microsoft's hardware partners happy — they no longer are on the hook to develop as many costly software updates for past versions of Windows — but it also helps Microsoft push adoption of Windows 10. The company sees the operating system as the "final" version of Windows; it's now a service, not a product, and this change better reflects that. There's only one current version of Windows, and while Microsoft will fullfill its legacy hardware obligations, it won't be expending resources to help users steer clear of its latest and greatest.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet; Hobbies
KEYWORDS: 14nm; skylake; windows; windows10; windowspinglist
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To: Bender2

Hey Bender you know what I am only few people that never could get into Games of Thrones if I want something like I taking Vikings and Last Kingdom

Yeah I did bing watch The White Queen couple season ago I have all Phillipia Gregory novels


41 posted on 01/17/2016 8:45:54 AM PST by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: dayglored

Vanderbilt, Rockefeller, Melon, Carnagie, Melon</i>,

All minor league sleaze bags versus the present crop of Gates, Bezos, Zuckerburg, etc.


42 posted on 01/17/2016 8:49:47 AM PST by catfish1957 (I display the Confederate Battle Flag with pride in honor of my brave ancestors who fought w/ valor)
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To: SevenofNine
Re: Hey Bender you know what... I am only few people that never could get into Games of Thrones

Simple to explain, Seven-- Very simple. You just don't like... looking at nakked gals!

43 posted on 01/17/2016 8:56:23 AM PST by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Bender2

I think I like history part like Vikings there one episode Laghethia shield maiden was naked in one episode with her top off


44 posted on 01/17/2016 8:58:58 AM PST by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: null and void

Yea Zat iZ Zo.

Possible? Sure. Anything’s possible. Probable? No. Formidible? Well you tell me.

If you start down the path of China chips exclusively, they are backdoored anyway so you gain nothing. And that assumes Congress does not pass laws banning their import since the whole point of Win10 and this new development is survelience of your porn collection and everything else you do.

THEN you have to assume that someone will front the several BILLION dollars and do a manhattan project to get these PCs up and in the public’s hands.

THAN you have to face the reality that everyone from Netflix to Steam to GOOGLE will erect barriers to make their use with their products unworkable.

THEN you have to find enough people / a Market willing to buy one of these digital potatos to get someone to front the several Billion dollars to begin with.

So tell me if the above results in some mass movement to buy PCs that are shut out from all the cool kid things 99% of America buys a PC for.

I don’t think that market, nor the buyers exist fo anyone to lay out the startup for an entire industry to cater to it and certainly not before the holdouts throw their hands up in frustration and buy Win10 NSA boxes.


45 posted on 01/17/2016 9:32:13 AM PST by Norm Lenhart (Existential Cage Theory - An idea whose time has come)
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To: amorphous

And what happens when suddenly the chip PC can’t go and use the places or do the things people want a PC for? Like netflix or Steam?

Sure alternatives exist now. You don’t think they are as backdoored as a Win10/Skylake box will be? So what’s the point?

Eventually people will cave willingly because if they want to access their favorite things, they have to do it through the monopoly.


46 posted on 01/17/2016 9:42:33 AM PST by Norm Lenhart (Existential Cage Theory - An idea whose time has come)
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To: dayglored

Another great reason to ditch Windows.


47 posted on 01/17/2016 9:53:21 AM PST by Dalberg-Acton
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To: dayglored

PC sales dropped in 2015. People have said for years the PC is dead. This may be the thing that really puts the nail in the coffin.


48 posted on 01/17/2016 9:56:24 AM PST by r_barton
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To: r_barton

Prebuilt PC sales dropped but one of the biggest markets, gamers, usually build their own from parts once they learn how. Mainly because the prebuilt offerings speced for gamers are usually several thousand dollars.

You can build a great box from scratch for about a grand that performs as well as most mid range prebuilt gaming rigs. At about $2K you have a top of the line gaming rig vs $3-4K for an equal prebuilt from companies like Alienware. They are fantastic boxes but carry a name premium.

The aftermarket is thriving because of it.


49 posted on 01/17/2016 10:10:03 AM PST by Norm Lenhart (Existential Cage Theory - An idea whose time has come)
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To: dayglored

“Hoo boy. Want to buy a new faster computer? Sure hope y’all like Windows 10, because it won’t run anything else, eh? “

Article: “ Microsoft says it will be maintaining a list of approved Skylake systems that are guaranteed to have Windows 7 and 8.1 support through July 17, 2017.”


50 posted on 01/17/2016 10:15:20 AM PST by TexasGator
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To: Johnny B.

Anyone concerned with their privacy should steer clear from anything Microsoft, Google, Facebook, Apple, Oracle, and 10,000 other entities that are in the business of making profit out of selling your “private” information.


51 posted on 01/17/2016 10:22:05 AM PST by sagar
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To: sagar
Anyone concerned with their privacy should steer clear from anything Microsoft, Google, Facebook, Apple, Oracle, and 10,000 other entities that are in the business of making profit out of selling your “private” information.

In other words, they should live under a rock.

52 posted on 01/17/2016 10:22:37 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

True. Unless the rock is in your property, which in this case would be registered in the gubmint database for anyone to find information about.

There is no “privacy”, just illusion of being masked. Use cell phones? Use credit cards? Go to public areas? Shop online? Shop in stores? Travel? Have already died?

Those all result in leaking your identity. Even death will result in leaking identity. Privacy used to be luxury back in the caveman days. Welcome to civilization.


53 posted on 01/17/2016 10:28:30 AM PST by sagar
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To: Paladin2

Given that the Gateway AnyKey was built for 1990’s era computers, you could get away with a simpler PS/2-USB converter.

As for the PC/XT keyboard, it operates differently enough to require a slightly more complicated conversion. The link I gave also implements layout/key customization (which would make it redundant for a programmable keyboard).


54 posted on 01/17/2016 10:52:37 AM PST by setha (It is past time for the United States to take back what the world took away.)
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To: dayglored

I alrady feel the pain. My engineering and cnc software does not support 10 yet. Now that new machines will not run anything but I am going to have to upgrade to the tune of nearly 6000 bucks. The software companies know this and have started to raise the cost of upgrades.


55 posted on 01/17/2016 11:06:34 AM PST by Organic Panic
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To: tacticalogic
Are you expecting that you will get "perfect security" out of that?
Nothing's perfect, but this is far better than using Windows as my native OS.

Remember, Microsoft is now spying on their users as a major revenue stream. I choose not to cooperate with them.

56 posted on 01/17/2016 11:19:56 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: sagar
Those all result in leaking your identity.
So... if you're being gang raped, you should just relax and enjoy it?

I would prefer to fight against it to the best of my ability.

57 posted on 01/17/2016 11:23:06 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.
Remember, Microsoft is now spying on their users as a major revenue stream. I choose not to cooperate with them.

Tell you what. I'll remember it if you can give me an authoritative source that documents it. I've seen lots assertions, but nothing that rises above the level of personal opinion based on speculation.

58 posted on 01/17/2016 11:24:41 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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Skylake users given 18 months to upgrade to Windows 10
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/01/skylake-users-given-18-months-to-upgrade-to-windows-10/

Microsoft gets aggressive — after 18 months nextgen CPUs like Skylake will only support Windows 10
http://betanews.com/2016/01/16/microsoft-gets-aggressive-after-18-months-nextgen-cpus-like-skylake-will-only-support-windows-10/

Intel Skylake CPU details revealed:
These faster, more power-efficient chips can even drive three 4K monitors
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2972823/components-processors/intel-skylake-laptop-cpus-should-use-less-power-run-faster-and-can-even-drive-three-4k-monitors.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skylake_(microarchitecture)

...the same 14 nm manufacturing process as Broadwell...Change to Skylake platform comes with high cost due to a new socket (1151) and new mainboards which only support DDR4 memory while delivering only a few percent more performance.


59 posted on 01/17/2016 11:32:18 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: Johnny B.
Microsoft is now spying on their users as a major revenue stream.

Who or where at Microsoft can I go and buy that information?

60 posted on 01/17/2016 12:03:14 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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