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Ted Cruz is not eligible to be president
Washington Post ^ | 1/12/16 | Mary Brigid McManamon

Posted on 01/12/2016 10:29:09 PM PST by RC one

Edited on 01/13/2016 12:11:17 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

Donald Trump is actually right about something: Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) is not a natural-born citizen and therefore is not eligible to be president or vice president of the United States.

Cruz is, of course, a U.S. citizen. As he was born in Canada, he is not natural-born. His mother, however, is an American, and Congress has provided by statute for the naturalization of children born abroad to citizens. Because of the senator’s parentage, he did not have to follow the lengthy naturalization process that aliens without American parents must undergo. Instead, Cruz was naturalized at birth. This provision has not always been available. For example, there were several decades in the 19th century when children of Americans born abroad were not given automatic naturalization.


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KEYWORDS: 2016election; canadian; cruz; districtofcolumbia; election2016; ineligible; marybrigidmcmanamon; naturalborncitizen; notnaturalborn; tedcruz; texas; trump; trumpwasright; washingtoncompost; washingtonpost
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To: Rockingham

I have not looked as closely at them. If it becomes necessary to evaluate their candidacy more seriously, I’m sure it will be done. personally, I wish we would unite to slam this door shut, lock it up tight, throw away the key, and nail it shut for good measure.


161 posted on 01/13/2016 2:37:47 AM PST by RC one (race baiting and demagoguery-if you're a Democrat it's what you do.)
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To: grania
Notice they never stop, because they work for the "ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICANS" !
And the "ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICANS" LOATHE TED CRUZ for telling the TRUTH !
But they're full of CRAP !
TED CRUZ is by far, the MOST CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATE we've got ! So there is the law for the time Ted Cruz was born,
AND HOW Ted Cruz's PARENTS fulfilled ALL those requirements of the law that time, for Ted Cruz to be a "Natural Born Citizen".
Ted Cruz did NOT NEED a Court and a Judge to "Nationalize" him.

One more thing,


1st United States Congress, 21-26 Senators and 59-65 Representatives


As Hans von Spakovsky wrote in his Commentary "An Un-Naturally Born Non-Controversy":

The Naturalization Act of 1790, let's read it , too ( even though it DOES NOT APPLY) !

162 posted on 01/13/2016 2:50:51 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Hugin

“Because you can’t be a natural born citizen of a country that doesn’t exist yet?”

Yes, you can in the same way in which you are born into a family. All human societies descend from earlier human societies and inherit allegiances, in the same way new families are created and transfer their allegiances from their parental families to their own families. This is also true in certain forms when a new state becomes alienated from its parents state. This is a well established principle in the Law of Nations and is discussed by such authorities as Grotius, a source often cited in past international legal proceedings.

“If there was no nation yet, how could anyone born before the constitution have been born a citizen, regardless of where they were born?”

“People born here were born British subjects, not American citizens.”

First, note the fact that the United States of America dates its sovereignty to the Declaration of Independence in 1776 and not the later adoption of the Articles of Confederation or adoption of the Constitution so many years later.

Second, the statement: “People born here were born British subjects, not American citizens.” is incorrect. The people born in the English/British North American colonies were subjects of the English or British sovereign, and they were not subjects of the Kingdom of England or the United Kingdom of Great Britain. These people were also “American citizens” in the sense that before the Plantation Act of 1740 they were citizens of their respective colonies, and after the Plantation Act of 1740 they were also made to be citizens of British America, the possession/s of the English/British Crown as their feudal properties. When King George III attempted to abrogate those colonial charters, usurp their governments, and put the colonial governments under the authority of the foreign Parliament of the United Kingdom of Great Britain in London, it sparked the American Revolutionary War in resistance to those usurpations. Upon independence, the colonists were alienated from their allegiance to King George III, but they were never a possession of the United Kingdom of Great Britain to begin with. The colonists retained their community ties and citizenship in their colonies and in whatever parts of British America won independence from King George III. When King George III signed the Treaty of Paris in 1783, he agreed to alienate the American colonies from his feudal domains, They remained as citizens of their respective colonies and of the former British America that became the new United States of America. So, yes the American colonists were American citizens of the colonies possessed as a feudal property by the king before the Revolution and possessed by the American people after the Revolution.


163 posted on 01/13/2016 3:49:53 AM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

Just so freepers realize ... they are siding with the the
Ginsburg side of the court not Scalia side when they are willing to ignore conservative constructionism.


164 posted on 01/13/2016 3:58:39 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: RC one

A Canadian born Citizen to a Cuban Dad is not a natural born US citizen?

Blasphemy!


165 posted on 01/13/2016 3:59:34 AM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: Yosemitest

And you continue to leave out that Madison repealed the 1790 Act.


166 posted on 01/13/2016 4:00:33 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: RC one

Barak Obama taught constitutional law, too. I’m just sayin’.


167 posted on 01/13/2016 4:00:44 AM PST by hawaiianninja (Palm note to self: "Prepare for some serious 2016 house cleaning. Trump/Cruz or Cruz/Trump 2016!")
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To: hawaiianninja

There is a bright side to electing cruz.

If he wins, we can fly canadian flags in front of our houses just to piss off the GOPe and the Democrats. That would be fun, rubbing it in their faces after eight years of the Indonesia clown.


168 posted on 01/13/2016 4:20:06 AM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: RC one
This is one of those issues on which plain textualism (that under current statutes, Cruz was a citizen at birth) works better than a crabbed sense of original intent, which leads to the claim that Cruz is not a "natural born citizen" because his mother but not his father was a US citizen when he was born. This is based on a detailed if disputed reading of British law at the time as limiting British citizenship for those born abroad to those whose father's were British citizens when they were born.

I am confident that of the legislators who ratified the Constitution, not one in a hundred would have known enough to state that as being what "natural born citizen" meant and that Congress could not further define and expand natural born citizenship for purposes of eligibility for President.

In such cases, where the original meaning of a provision of the Constitution is so disputed and thinly supported by evidence, textualism makes more sense. After all, the Framers of the Constitution not only specified "natural born citizen" but also provided that Congress would have the power to define citizenship as to who would be a natural born citizen.

On the whole, if the question were presented in the Founding era, I think that most of the Framers and Ratifiers of the Constitution would reject the view that, as to Presidential eligibility, the meaning in the Constitution of "natural born citizen" was firmly fixed by the law of Britain and could not be changed by future Congressional enactments as to who was a citizen at birth. With that in mind, we have the making of an argument that not just textualism but originalism as well supports Ted Cruz's eligibility to be President.

169 posted on 01/13/2016 4:20:43 AM PST by Rockingham
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To: PA-RIVER

Maybe we could fly the Cuban flag too.


170 posted on 01/13/2016 4:21:25 AM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: RummyChick

It’s not fair to point out the holes in Teds legal argument for NBC that are so big you could fly an airbus through them.


171 posted on 01/13/2016 4:25:38 AM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: Rockingham

If you believe that congress can define it then you MUST also admit in the same writing that they repealed the one and only time they have used those .words. Madison is the one that repealed it.


172 posted on 01/13/2016 4:32:27 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: Rockingham
You should read post 158 and get back to me. Keep in mind, William Rawle was a founding father and he was very very clear on what a NBC is as evidenced by the few paragraphs I have provided from his book, A view of the Constitution of the United States.

As far as I'm concerned, Mr. Rawle has provided us all with the answer we seek and it is game over for Ted Cruz. He needs to withdraw. Now.

173 posted on 01/13/2016 4:33:02 AM PST by RC one (race baiting and demagoguery-if you're a Democrat it's what you do.)
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To: Rockingham
The meaning of the term "citizen" is stated in the constitution. Whether or not it has some relation to the law of Britain is an interesting subject, but it doesn't change what is actually in the constitution.

The framers would have referred to the constitution, assuming they intended to comply with its terms, and follow where it leads.

First find Cruz to be a citizen, without resort to an act of Congress. If that is established, the argument can proceed to whether or not he is a natural born citizen under the terms of the constitution. But first, it needs to be established that he is a citizen under the constitution, without resort to any act of Congress.

I am beyond angry with Cruz on this point.

174 posted on 01/13/2016 4:33:51 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: a fool in paradise

True. But give some here credit for pointing out LOOOOOONG ago that this would be an issue.


175 posted on 01/13/2016 4:36:54 AM PST by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Western Civilization- whisper the words, and it will disappear. So let us talk now about rebirth.)
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To: RummyChick
YOU can NOT read, can you

RE=READ that comment starting at: Maybe, just MAYBE, after the SECOND TIME you RE-READ IT, you might be able to comprehend WORDS !
But I doubt it, because you can NOT get past that HOT-HEADED TEMPER of yours.
176 posted on 01/13/2016 4:37:23 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: TigerClaws

Obfuscation to avoid the simple facts.


177 posted on 01/13/2016 4:38:39 AM PST by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Western Civilization- whisper the words, and it will disappear. So let us talk now about rebirth.)
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To: Yosemitest
read this buddy.

Williams Rawle: A view of the Constitution of the United States

Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4 (Citizenship)

Document 23

William Rawle, A View of the Constitution of the United States 84-101 1829 (2d ed.)

It cannot escape notice, that no definition of the nature and rights of citizens appears in the Constitution. The descriptive term is used, with a plain indication that its meaning is understood by all, and this indeed is the general character of the whole instrument. Except in one instance, it gives no definitions, but it acts in all its parts, on qualities and relations supposed to be already known. Thus it declares, that no person, except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of president--that no person shall be a senator who shall not have been nine years a citizen of the United States, nor a representative who has not been such a citizen seven years, and it will therefore be not inconsistent with the scope and tendency of the present essay, to enter shortly into the nature of citizenship.

In a republic the sovereignty resides essentially, and entirely in the people. Those only who compose the people, and partake of this sovereignty are citizens, they alone can elect, and are capable of being elected to public offices, and of course they alone can exercise authority within the community: they possess an unqualified right to the enjoyment of property and personal immunity, they are bound to adhere to it in peace, to defend it in war, and to postpone the interests of all other countries to the affection which they ought to bear for their own.

The citizens of each state constituted the citizens of the United States when the Constitution was adopted. The rights which appertained to them as citizens of those respective commonwealths, accompanied them in the formation of the great, compound commonwealth which ensued. They became citizens of the latter, without ceasing to be citizens of the former, and he who was subsequently born a citizen of a state, became at the moment of his birth a citizen of the United States. Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity. It is an error to suppose, as some (and even so great a mind as Locke) have done, that a child is born a citizen of no country and subject of no government, and that he so continues till the age of discretion, when he is at liberty to put himself under what government he pleases. How far the adult possesses this power will hereafter be considered, but surely it would be unjust both to the state and to the infant, to withhold the quality of the citizen until those years of discretion were attained. Under our Constitution the question is settled by its express language, and when we are informed that, excepting those who were citizens, (however the capacity was acquired,) at the time the Constitution was adopted, no person is eligible to the office of president unless he is a natural born citizen, the principle that the place of birth creates the relative quality is established as to us.

Game. Over.

178 posted on 01/13/2016 4:42:39 AM PST by RC one (race baiting and demagoguery-if you're a Democrat it's what you do.)
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To: Yosemitest

Again, legally, the Act was repealed. You clearly have no concept what that means. Abrogated. Finished. Dead. Null and void. Whatever came later is the law. If you pass a law years later that is similar and you leave something out ..that left out part doesn’t become law. Sheesh.


179 posted on 01/13/2016 4:43:41 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: zeestephen

Unfortunately for CRUZ that would be in a court of law. It appears the Texas GOP has that in its plan Read the entire article Fraud for not Telly the people of is Canadian citizenship. He really needs to find the documentation where his mother registered him as a US citizen at the time of his birth.


180 posted on 01/13/2016 5:05:42 AM PST by hoosiermama
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