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Loser of the Debate: The Moderators, The Methodology, and The Process
Vanity | 15 Dec 2015 | Xzins

Posted on 12/15/2015 8:17:31 PM PST by xzins

This debate was annoying.

If the moderators would stop talking over top of the candidates, then we could actually hear what they have to say.

If the moderator's handlers would have had the courage to trim this debate (finally) down to five or six of the top candidates, then we wouldn't have been subject to their short time limits, their incessant buzzers, and their rude interruptions right as the candidates were making their points at the end of their comments.

This gets us to the process. More than anything, I was struck by how artificial this entire format was tonight. I've never been a fan of putting too many people on a stage, or of putting two people on a stage and subjecting them to questions from faux neutral commentators from faux neutral news organizations.

The disconnect went deeper tonight. We got to see again the phony efforts to get candidates to confront one another. We got to see the leading questions, the inane questions, and the ideologically loaded questions.

What a lousy way to pick a president.


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KEYWORDS: 2016debates; cnn; media; rnc
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To: bramps

Trump is talking about bombing and shelling the enemy. He won’t allow concerns with collateral damage to keep him from pulling the trigger. He won’t drop leaflets to oil truck drivers.

Trump is talking about the families of terrorists who are here in America when they commit an act of terror against this country. They’ll be detained and investigated and not sent home to avoid answering for any part they might have had in a terrorist act.


21 posted on 12/15/2015 8:33:49 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support the troops pray for their victory!)
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To: baldisbeautiful

They should get rid of their stupid time limits. I can remember just a few responses that didn’t run into their buzzer. That suggests to me that they need more time to respond, not less.


22 posted on 12/15/2015 8:35:03 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support the troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins
The moderators were pretty bad, trying to stir up fights, trying to embarrass people with questions not designed to help understand why we should support one or another, but it seemed like they simply confused everything.

They need to make a ten per cent rule now. No one under 10% gets on the stage; let Cruz, Rubio, and Trump on, and Carson if he can keep the ten per cent mark. Getting to three or four would help the entire process.

23 posted on 12/15/2015 8:36:08 PM PST by Lakeshark
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To: xzins

Turned into a fight.

Let the voting in primaries begin.

Every candidate was right:
Obama and Hillary have started WWIII by unleashing Jihad in Egypt, Syria, Lybia, Iraq.... and pissing in Israels face.


24 posted on 12/15/2015 8:38:05 PM PST by PA-RIVER ( .)
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To: xzins

I agree with that order, generally, but I would be a little less generous with the grades, across the board. I didn’t think anyone had an A performance. I’d give Cruz a solid A-, and Trump a B or B+.

And I’d give Bush and Kasich Ds.


25 posted on 12/15/2015 8:39:00 PM PST by dem bums
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To: xzins

it’s a media event, run by the media, by their rules, not a “debate” in any sense of the word.


26 posted on 12/15/2015 8:40:49 PM PST by bigbob ("Victorious warriors win first and then go to war" Sun Tzu.)
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To: xzins

There are too many debates. After awhile they get boring. Better to have fewer so that when one happens, people aren’t sick of them.


27 posted on 12/15/2015 8:43:14 PM PST by dforest
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To: bigbob

It’s not even a good news conference, much less a good debate. At least in a news conference, the reporters let the official answer the question.


28 posted on 12/15/2015 8:43:26 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support the troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

I think Trump would put the screws to the mother in San Bernardino. She would be brought up on treason charges and hung, so the next SOB knows what his will get.

It’s time to start hanging the bastards that assist the people waging war on our soil.


29 posted on 12/15/2015 8:45:18 PM PST by PA-RIVER ( .)
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To: Helicondelta
lol..Ill take that bet and raise you 5!....Dr. Carson should be marketed as a sleep aid....its his 2nd calling as a doctor
30 posted on 12/15/2015 8:45:23 PM PST by M-cubed ( Their hope is to find a way to pick a nominee who, if elected, would actually stay the course the w)
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To: dforest

You’re right. One thing that another did for me was drive home how artificial and contrived this format is.

“Joe said this; what do you think of Joe.”

“Mary ate Jane’s Cheerios; what do you want to say to Mary.”

Are they serious?


31 posted on 12/15/2015 8:45:32 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support the troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

Trump, Cruz, Rubio, Carson, and Christie. 5 man limit.


32 posted on 12/15/2015 8:46:56 PM PST by BigEdLB (Take it Easy, Chuck. I'm Not Taking it Back -- Donald Trump)
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To: xzins

Rubio did very well...Or he appeared to, to those who didn’t know he was lying a bunch...


33 posted on 12/15/2015 8:48:12 PM PST by Iscool (Izlam and radical Izlam are different the same way a wolf and a wolf in sheeps clothing are differen)
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To: PA-RIVER

The mother and father of the San Bernardino couple deserve to be investigated, jailed, executed if found guilty.

I would expel them if it is found they knew and kept quiet but did nothing, but did nothing that our legal system felt it could prosecute and win with our rules of evidence.


34 posted on 12/15/2015 8:48:49 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support the troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Iscool

I didn’t think so. I think he clearly was shook by the attacks on his support of the Chuck Shumer bill.


35 posted on 12/15/2015 8:49:53 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support the troops pray for their victory!)
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To: BigEdLB

I agree.

Why would the lesser debate have the benefit of fewer candidates? They should have at least split the difference:

7 in the first
6 in the second


36 posted on 12/15/2015 8:51:05 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support the troops pray for their victory!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Kasich has attacked Trump the most from those on stage. CNN loves to instigate fights between candidates. Ratings!


37 posted on 12/15/2015 8:52:43 PM PST by entropy12 (Go Trump 2016!)
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To: dem bums

I agree with that as well. For Bush and Kasich it wasn’t so much what they said (although it was that, too) but “who they are!” Bush just isn’t presidential and every time he says something, he just confirms it. Kasich, well, you never know when the ‘insanity’ if going to jump out. ;- )


38 posted on 12/15/2015 8:52:55 PM PST by Lake Living
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To: Lake Living

Does it seem to you that every time Bush talks that he seems to get nervous and his voice catches?

He seems afraid or something.


39 posted on 12/15/2015 8:56:11 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support the troops pray for their victory!)
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To: entropy12

There was absolutely no reason for Kasich to be on that stage. Whoever decided he should be there was smoking dope and doing shots.


40 posted on 12/15/2015 8:57:13 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support the troops pray for their victory!)
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