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Patriarch: Catholics and Russian Orthodox uphold ‘the same Gospel values’
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| December 04, 2015
| Catholic World News
Posted on 12/10/2015 1:52:11 PM PST by Trumpinator
Catholic World News
Patriarch: Catholics and Russian Orthodox uphold âthe same Gospel valuesâ
December 04, 2015
The head of the Russian Orthodox Church met with two Catholic priests on December 2 and expressed appreciation for the work of the Catholic Church in Italy.
Patriarch Kirill told the prior and administrator of Basilica of St. Nicholas in Bari that âBari is a sacred place for Orthodox Christians like Mount Athos or holy sites in Palestineâ and that âtheologians discussing theological issues sitting at the table is one thing, but people contacting our brothers in the West, moreover at the holy site, is quite another matter. It is very important not only maintain our relations on theological level, but also to feel one another in our hearts.â
âThe success of your mission among the Italians is important not only for them,â he continued. âIt is very important for the development and strengthening of relations between our Churches. Therefore we appreciate that the Catholic Church is upholding the same Gospel values as the Russian Orthodox Church.â
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To: Trumpinator
Putin: Defender of Christian Faith and Morality?
September 2014
(excerpt from a long, detailed article)
First and foremost, in any review of the basics regarding Putin, the most outstanding fact is that he is a creature of the Soviet KGB, a truly diabolical organization nonpareil, which stood for murder, terror, and grand deception.
It was the Soviet Communist Party's tool for the brutal suppression of religion, including the persecution of Christians: denying them jobs and education; spying on and entrapping them; arresting and imprisoning them; torturing them in unspeakable ways; desecrating and demolishing their church buildings; infiltrating their agents into churches to subvert them. The KGB destroyed thousands of Christian churches, monasteries, convents, and schools, and slaughtered millions of Christians.
But it did not destroy the churches utterly. There remained an underground church, whose members were always at risk of discovery, arrest, torture, and martyrdom. Above ground, the KGB took control of the Russian Orthodox Church, which became a very useful organ of the Soviet atheist state.
In January 2009, Vladimir Mikhailovich Gundyaev, better known as Metropolitan Kirill of Smolensk and Kaliningrad, was elected, from a short list of three candidates, to be the 16th Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia, the highest position of authority in the Russian Orthodox Church (ROC). The election was called to fill the post that had been left vacant by the death of Patriarch Alexy II, who had headed the ROC since 1990.
Documents from the KGB archives have confirmed what sensible observers had long ago deduced from his actions: that Patriarch Alexy II (also spelled Alexi or Alexei) was a long-serving KGB agent (code-named Drozdov, "Blackbird"), in other words, a traitor to his Christian brethren and the God he claimed to serve. Putin's KGB/FSB was taking no chances with his replacement. All three candidates - Metropolitan Kliment of Kaluga and Borovsk (code-named Topaz), Metropolitan Filaret of Minsk and Slutsk (code-named Ostrovskii), and Metropolitan Kirill (code-named Mikhailov) - also have been reliably identified as agents of the KGB/FSB.
Russia expert David Satter, a former Moscow correspondent for the Financial Times (of London) and the Wall Street Journal, wrote of the election in 2009 for Forbes:
According to material from the Soviet archives, Kirill was a KGB agent (as was Alexei). This means he was more than just an informer, of whom there were millions in the Soviet Union. He was an active officer of the organization. Neither Kirill nor Alexei ever acknowledged or apologized for their ties with the security agencies.
Because Patriarch Kirill is of central importance to the myth of Putin as the Saul-to-Paul, Christian persecutor-to-Christian champion, it behooves us to more closely examine the man. He has publicly presided over, and provided official benedictions and exhortations for, Putin's cynical and Stalinesque exploitation of Russian nationalism and Russian Orthodoxy. Josef Stalin, who had very nearly consummated the annihilation of the Russian Orthodox Church begun by Vladimir Lenin, reversed course in 1941. The reason? His erstwhile partner in crime, Adolf Hitler, had turned on him and had invaded Russia.
Stalin, needing all the help he could get, cut a deal with ROC Metropolitans Sergius, Nikolay, and Alexy. In exchange for their support in rallying the Russian people, he would cease (temporarily) the persecution and allow the reopening of churches and theological schools. In fact, Stalin's Soviet government paid for the rebuilding of many of the churches. The ROC was thus placed even more firmly under the control of the NKVD, which was later to be reorganized and renamed as the KGB. ..."
much more at link
http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/19162-putin-defender-of-christian-faith-and-morality
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"For 16 years Putin was an officer in the KGB, rising to the rank of Lieutenant Colonel before he retired to enter politics in his native Saint Petersburg in 1991.
He moved to Moscow in 1996 and joined President Boris Yeltsin's administration where he rose quickly, becoming Acting President on 31 December 1999 when Yeltsin unexpectedly resigned. Putin won the subsequent 2000 presidential election, despite widespread accusations of vote-rigging,[3] and was reelected in 2004."
"On 25 July 1998, Yeltsin appointed Vladimir Putin head of the FSB (one of the successor agencies to the KGB), the position Putin occupied until August 1999. He became a permanent member of the Security Council of the Russian Federation on 1 October 1998 and its Secretary on 29 March 1999."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin
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From a 2007 article titled "Putin's Russia"...
"KGB influence 'soars under Putin,' " blared the headline of a BBC online article for December 13, 2006. The following day, a similar headline echoed a similarly alarming story at the website of Der Spiegel, one of Germany's largest news magazines: "Putin's Russia: Kremlin Riddled with Former KGB Agents."
In the opening sentences of Der Spiegel's article, readers are informed that: "Four out of five members of Russia's political and business elite have a KGB past, according to a new study by the prestigious [Russian] Academy of Sciences. The influence of ex-Soviet spies has ballooned under President Vladimir Putin."
The study, which looked at 1,061 top Kremlin, regional, and corporate jobs, found that "78 percent of the Russian elite" are what are known in Russia as "siloviki," which is to say, former members of the KGB or its domestic successor, the FSB. The author of the study, Olga Kryshtanovskaya, expressed shock at her own findings. "I was very shocked when I looked at the boards of major companies and realized there were lots of people who had completely unknown names, people who were not public but who were definitely, obvious siloviki," she told Reuters.
Other supposed experts - in Russia and the West - have also expressed surprise and alarm at the apparent resurrection of the dreaded Soviet secret police. After all, for the past decade and a half these same experts have been pointing to the alleged demise of the KGB as the primary evidence supporting their claim that communism is dead.
From the Bolshevik Revolution in 1917, the Russian security apparatus Cheka (and its later permutations: OGPU, NKVD, MGB, KGB) had been the "sword and shield" of the communist world revolution.
"We stand for organized terror," declared Felix Dzerzhinsky, the first chief of the Cheka for Soviet dictator Vladimir Lenin. In 1918, Dzerzhinsky launched the campaign of arrests and executions known as the Red Terror. Krasnaya Gazeta, the Bolshevik newspaper, expressed the Chekist credo when it reported approvingly in 1918 of the terror campaign: "We will make our hearts cruel, hard and immovable, so that no mercy will enter them, and so that they will not quiver at the sight of a sea of enemy blood."
Unflinching cruelty and merciless, bloody terror have been the trademark of the communist secret police, from the Cheka to the KGB. Obviously, the demise of such an organization would be cause for much rejoicing. Hence, when the KGB was ordered dissolved and its chairman, General Vladimir Kryuchkov, was arrested in 1991 after attempting to overthrow "liberal reformer" Mikhail Gorbachev in the failed "August Coup," many people in the West were only too willing to pop the champagne corks and start celebrating our supposed victory over the Evil Empire.
But, as Mikhail Leontiyev, commentator for Russia's state-controlled Channel One television, recently noted, repeating a phrase popular among the siloviki: "Americans got so drunk at the USSR's funeral that they're still hung over." And stumbling around in their post-inebriation haze, many of these Americans have only recently begun noticing that they had prematurely written the KGB's epitaph, even as it was arising vampire-like from the coffin.
However, there is really no excuse for Olga Kryshtanovskaya or any of her American counterparts to be stunned by the current siloviki dominance in Putin's Russia. For nearly a decade, even before he became Russia's "president," THE NEW AMERICAN has been reporting on Putin's KGB pedigree and his steady implementation of a long-range Soviet deception strategy, including the public rehabilitation and refortifying of the KGB-FSB. ..."
(continues at link)
http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/8420-putins-russia
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posted on
12/10/2015 1:54:24 PM PST
by
ETL
(Ted Cruz 2016!! -- For a better, safer America)
To: ETL
Putin: Defender of Christian Faith and Morality? Yes.
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posted on
12/10/2015 1:58:49 PM PST
by
Trumpinator
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To: ETL
If the priest is a KGB agent that is so cool - that means his cross is also a James Bond like weapon! LOL!
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posted on
12/10/2015 1:59:36 PM PST
by
Trumpinator
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To: Trumpinator
After Vatican 2, my mom dragged my brother and I up to an Orthodox Russian Church many miles away from where we lived! Gorgeous ceremony. Luckily, in recent years, the Latin Mass has taken hold in more local communities.
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posted on
12/10/2015 2:01:09 PM PST
by
miss marmelstein
(Richard the Third: I like to destroy the Turks (Moslims))
To: miss marmelstein
I never got why Catholics needed to change - I can understand using the local language but they could incorporate both Latin and vulgate.
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posted on
12/10/2015 2:02:19 PM PST
by
Trumpinator
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To: Trumpinator
Thank you for work on FR, Comrade Putinator
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posted on
12/10/2015 2:02:32 PM PST
by
ETL
(Ted Cruz 2016!! -- For a better, safer America)
To: Trumpinator
Obama: Defender of Christian Faith and Morality?
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posted on
12/10/2015 2:07:29 PM PST
by
353FMG
"Putin said Stalin deserves statues in his honor"
http://en.ria.ru/russia/20131219/185734707/Putin-Says-Stalin-No-Worse-Than-Cunning-Oliver-Cromwell.html
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"the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the [20th] century" -Russian leader Vladimir Putin on the collapse of the Soviet Union...
"World democratic opinion has yet to realize the alarming implications of President Vladimir Putin's State of the Union speech on April 25, 2005, in which he said that the collapse of the Soviet Union represented the 'greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century.'..."
"The more I see and read about Mr. Putin, in power since 1999, and his 'managed democracy,' the more apprehensive I become about the future of Russia and the safety of its neighbors.
If Putin believes that the dissolution of the Soviet Union into 15 independent states represents the 'greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century,' then it follows that Putin might well believe he should do something to repair the loss..."
http://web.archive.org/web/20090415000000*/http://www.hooverdigest.org/053/beichman.html
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"The demise of the Soviet Union was the 'greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century'," Putin said in 2005.
http://www.thetrumpet.com/article/11102.30640.0.0/asia/moscow-puts-the-soviet-squeeze-on-neighbor-nations
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"'The Black Book of Communism,'; a scholarly accounting of communism's crimes, counts about 94 million murdered by the supposed champions of the common man (20 million for the Soviets alone), and some say that number is too low."
Forgetting the Evils of Communism: The amnesia bites a little deeper
By Jonah Goldberg, August 2008:
http://web.archive.org/web/20100711090651/http://article.nationalreview.com/365528/forgetting-the-evils-of-communism/jonah-goldberg
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"The demise of the Soviet Union was the 'greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century'," Putin said in 2005.
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posted on
12/10/2015 2:08:44 PM PST
by
ETL
(Ted Cruz 2016!! -- For a better, safer America)
To: ETL
Well no one thanks you for your work. Which is sad for you.
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posted on
12/10/2015 2:11:10 PM PST
by
Trumpinator
(You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
To: ETL
This is a religious thread.
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posted on
12/10/2015 2:12:44 PM PST
by
Trumpinator
(You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
To: Trumpinator
What’s sad is that you and your Putinista comrades are allowed to remain on this site doing what you do day after day.
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posted on
12/10/2015 2:12:45 PM PST
by
ETL
(Ted Cruz 2016!! -- For a better, safer America)
To: ETL
What is sad is you spam a religious thread and this is a Catholic article from a Catholic news source.
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posted on
12/10/2015 2:13:16 PM PST
by
Trumpinator
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To: Trumpinator
Catholic means universal. So the language was once universal. The Mass is not that difficult a text. It’s not like reading 400 pages of Talmud. So why they change is beyond me.
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posted on
12/10/2015 2:15:13 PM PST
by
miss marmelstein
(Richard the Third: I like to destroy the Turks (Moslims))
To: Trumpinator
What is sad is you spam a religious threadNo, I spammed a KGB Putin propaganda thread.
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posted on
12/10/2015 2:17:25 PM PST
by
ETL
(Ted Cruz 2016!! -- For a better, safer America)
To: ETL
So you admit spamming and I have reported it as thus to the moderator.
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posted on
12/10/2015 2:18:35 PM PST
by
Trumpinator
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To: miss marmelstein
The Latin Mass is beautiful. Also, Jews don't necessarily speak in Hebrew (leaving the revived Hebrew of Israel to the side) but for centuries they used it in their worship and still do. It is a way to connect to the past.
I never bought the argument people were leaving the church because they used Latin.
What sounds more majestic? The "Holy Ghost" or "Spiritus Sanctus"?
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posted on
12/10/2015 2:21:13 PM PST
by
Trumpinator
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To: miss marmelstein
Catholic means universal. So the language was once universal....well yes “catholic” is the Greek word for universal (it is actually not a Latin word).
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posted on
12/10/2015 2:22:26 PM PST
by
Trumpinator
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To: Trumpinator
I just forgot to put quotes around “spam”. Clearly, anything that exposes Putin and his followers for the frauds that they are isn’t irrelevant (spam).
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posted on
12/10/2015 2:32:51 PM PST
by
ETL
(Ted Cruz 2016!! -- For a better, safer America)
To: ETL
What part of religious discussions thread don’t you get?
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posted on
12/10/2015 2:35:41 PM PST
by
Trumpinator
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