I Am a PROGRESSive Conservative

Vanity ^ | 31 Oct 15 | Xzins

[xzins]

I am a Progressive Conservative.

I base this on the definition of the word "progress". From the Merriam-Webster site: "the process of improving or developing something over a period of time".

Among conservatives who follow the news, this word would seem almost a contradiction. They are used to hearing the word associated with liberalism and socialism. It appears those movements have co-opted a perfectly positive word "progressive" with its root word meaning of improvement.

My sense is that the average person sees the word "progressive" and thinks "progress". This average person has little connection to secular campuses in which 'progressive' is proclaimed as some kind of march toward socialism. My sense is that those folks see the word "progress", have been taught that "progress" is a good thing, and so they think that "progressive" is about improvement. Little do they know that it is being abused by liberals and socialists.

So, as an example, I am in favor of a progressive conservative approach to immigration and illegal immigration. It is progress for a country to go from a border that would make it easy for terrorists to slip across to a border which is almost impossible for terrorists to violate. It is NOT 'progress' to get rid of borders altogether or to allow unchecked immigration from any country, much less a country like Syria with radical groups that hate us.

I would say to Hillary Clinton and to Jeb Bush that only liberals say it is progress to have open borders. Progressive Conservatives think that is not progress at all. That would be going backward. Real progress, real improvement is the real control of borders, visas, coasts, ports, and airports.

I am a PROGRESSive Conservative. I will argue with these so-called progressive liberals about what really is an improvement, about what really is progress any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

It is not progress to have its people out of work. Progressive Conservatives don't see that as progress at all. We believe that a person is happier and improving in self-esteem and self-actualization when they are working, producing, creating. And an added benefit is that the country also improves. Liberalism -- progressive liberals -- thinks that it's just fine to have the highest number of people in our history not able to find jobs. They call that progress. But liberalism has always led to decay, so their ideas on ' progress would also lead to decay. Progressive liberalism leads to decayed families, communities, states, and nations. Just look at all the socialist and liberal nations around the world to see the clear truth of this. Except for a socialist liberal, who in their right mind would say that a gulag -- a prison camp for the people -- is progress?

Take the word back, folks. And it is too easy. Simply state, "That's not progress. Progressive Conservatism says that real improvement is found in folks being able to fend for themselves without the intrusion of Big Brother telling them what to do."

We are the ones proclaiming real progress in economics, education, family, law, religion, justice, foreign policy, the military...in fact, in ANY area of life.

I'm a PROGRESSive Conservative. Join with me and start touting real Progress. Reclaim the word. This word is easily reclaimed.

[xzins]

Again, Romans 1:25 is not directed at believers but at unbelievers.

[right way right]

I like it.
Progressive conservatism....I just wish and pray the nation progress, that God would cause a turning of hearts in our nation.
We as a nation are really testing God...I don’t think he is approving of much...God is indeed very merciful.

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For Christians such as we are, the nation turning back to God would be great progress.

The nation continuing without God is a contradiction actually. It won’t continue without God like it has. It will be brought to an end.

[Cold Heat]

I’d rather let the gimmee’s use the word.

The term was high jacked many decades ago. Teddy Roosevelt, for example, was said to have been the first “progressive” republican.

Progressivism seems to be linked to “change”....that is all it means to them. It means doing it differently and rejecting the old ways or the past.

Even though it’s quite clear to any moderately intelligent person that these “progressive” ideas are simply various forms of tyranny and all have been tried and failed many times in human history.

[xzins]

“Progress” is easy to reclaim.

Just say, “How is it progress to encourage people to continue in poverty, to destroy their initiative, and to profit on their misery?”

[HLPhat]

So you’ve opined.

And yet the FACT is that everyone, including believers, is presently living in the context of the natural punitive cycle described therein.

What do you suppose it was that provoked the plague?

[Cold Heat]

Yeah, lol...been saying that for almost 50 years....lol

[HLPhat]

>>Progressivism seems to be linked to....

It is the cultural habit of Humanists to worship “Progress”; and every state-establishment they’ve managed to concoct has done so.

In the Old Testament the “progress” of the state-establishment was named “Ba’al”.

Same Ol’

[Cold Heat]

Yeah, I think he was the Egyptians notable progressive God/King.

It probably goes even farther back.

In my mind it’s a total disdain for the past and history which is why liberals even today ignore both or rewrite it, distort it, or demean it oR ALL OF THE ABOVE...

[Fred Hayek]

Yet the Marxists have hijack the meaning of the word, much as they have hijacked and corrupted the language as a whole.

[HLPhat]

>>How is it progress to encourage people to continue in poverty, to destroy their initiative, and to profit on their misery?

And the Pharaohs would reply:

Is the infrastructure built by the slaves not PROGRESS?

Pretty much the same thing the hordes of bureaucratic parasites perched on the state-establishment temple steps say today about interstates, "public" airports, Sports Stadiums, the Military Industrial Complex (remember how the USSR had one of those too?) and Algore's Internets.

And then they'll point out all the government jobs each welfare egg donor creates - and how that increases the velocity of the almighty dollar.

Talked to any Jesuit-indoctrinated MBA banksters lately? I have.

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

And the word progress has meant %ldquo;improvement%rdquo; for generations.

My point in citing Article 1 Section 8 is that the American “Great Experiment” is predicated on the idea of progress. Or, if you will, of improvement.

Freedom allows change, and change makes no sense apart from the idea of the possibility of progress.

Thus, the Constitution itself is predicated on the idea of progress.

America was designed to demonstrate the virtue of progress; it was designed to be an example to the world of what was possible.

“Progressivism” is addicted to too-easy, cynical Monday morning quarterbacking of the people who, because they work to a bottom line, make the world work. T. Roosevelt said, “It is not the critic who counts . . . the credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.” “Progressives” say, “You didn’t build that.”

[HLPhat]

>>It probably goes even farther back.

We can see it wherever human nature has left its mark — with the Starz of Nebuchadnezzar simply being among the first to be recorded after our ancestors learned to scratch in clay.

The collective worship of progress, as embodied in the state-establishment, has always been part of human nature.

Ba’al wasn’t a single deity it was the STATE-ESTABLISHMENT — worshiped in a variety of, often compulsory, forms.

America’s founders tried to deal with that nature by prohibiting such state-establishments in the 1st amendment for their Republic.

But here we are again, mindlessly entangled and ensnared in servitude to “progress”, again.

[HLPhat]

edification

noun ed·i·fi·ca·tion \ËŒe-dÉ™-fÉ™-ˈkā-shÉ™n\

Definition of EDIFICATION

:  an act or process of edifying

Hmmm.  What does this mean and -- In what ways does progress edify the body of Christ?

[xzins]

Progress is improvement. You think God wants His children to become more sinful or to improve in their relationship with Him?

[HLPhat]

>>Progress is improvement.

Worshiping Created Things isn’t an improvement - not even when they’re “Conservative”.

>>to improve in their relationship with Him?

There is no relationship with Him apart from the body of Christ.

[xzins]

Perhaps you can explain how improving the wholesomeness of our country is ‘worshipping created things’.

My sense is you’re just making stuff up to be contrary. Perhaps you’re part of a cult. I don’t know.

Ramble on.

But from here on out, you do so without me.

[HLPhat]

>>how improving the wholesomeness of our country

Actions that edify the body of Christ don’t require labeling with Created semantic Things.

Matt 7:20
20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
NIV

[HLPhat]

>>Perhaps you can explain how improving the wholesomeness of our country is ‘worshipping created things’.

The Soviet state-established Created Thing was really into "Wholesome" propaganda. So were the Nazis.

How's their fruit these days?

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