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Everyone Is Asking: "If Chinese Consumption Is Rising, Why Are Its Malls Empty?" - Here's The Answer
Zero Hedge ^ | 10/26/2015 | Tyler Durden

Posted on 10/26/2015 8:21:27 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

With China's official headline GDP number printing at decade lows, the positive spin on the increasingly negative data out of China has been that this is all a part of China's transition from an export-oriented to a consumption economy. However, there is a problem with this narrative: malls and shopping centers in China have been, and remain, increasingly empty suggesting that the narrative of the  resurgent Chinese consumer - especially in the aftermath of the biggest stock market bubble burst since 2008 - is greatly exaggerated.

Case in point: Reuters asks this morning "why are malls closing if consumption is rising?"

Specifically, it looks at the Di Mei shopping center in downtown Shanghai which it finds "a surprisingly depressing place to shop."

The underground mall is located in one of the most shopping-mad cities in China, and yet it is run down and starved of customers."

 

"Sometimes I cannot sell even one dress in a day," said dress shop owner Ms Xu, who rents a space in Di Mei.

 

Rising vacancy rates and plummeting rents are increasingly common in Chinese malls and department stores, despite official data showing a sharp rebound in retail sales that helped the world's second-largest economy beat expectations in the third quarter.

It sure makes one wonder just how credible China's retail sales "data" are, especially since the government is far less willing to provide official commercial vacancy rates: "As growth in retail sales slows because of the country's lower GDP growth, and in cities where mall space is abundant, vacancy rates have risen substantially," said Moody's analyst Marie Lam in a research note.

One possible answer to this seeming conundrum is a well-known one: the transition to online shopping which however does not explain all the recent bearish commentary from China's premier online vendor Ali Baba, which recently tumbled below its IPO price after announcing the slowest revenue growth in three years.

There is another twist: the government is goosing retail sales by acting as a direct end-purchaser:

The answer to that apparent contradiction lies in the rising competition from online shopping and government purchases possibly boosting retail statistics. Add poorly managed properties into the equation and the empty malls aren't much of a surprise.

 

More importantly, the struggles of Chinese brick-and-mortar retailers amplify a policy conundrum; these malls, built to reap gains from rising consumption, are instead adding to China’s corporate debt problem, currently at 160 percent of GDP - twice as high as the United States.

 

Less foot traffic means cash flow of mall owners and developers are getting squeezed - a potential hazard for an economy growing at its slowest pace in decades.

 

Di Mei's owners are trying to refurbish, but it's unclear whether it will pay off, and others are just closing down. The Sunlight Store in Beijing, for example, is located in another prime pedestrian hub, but it closed its blinds this month, with manager Ni Guifang telling Reuters they are seeking greener pastures online.

 

"The sales were just OK, but the overall sales were on the downward trend," Ni said.

 

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On the other hand, e-commerce sites continue to post double-digit growth rates, even as some moderation is evident. E-commerce leader Alibaba (BABA.N) is expected to report that sales growth slowed sharply in the second quarter - albeit to around 27 percent on-year, still a ripping pace.

There is another, potentially benign explanation: overcapacity - after all China's "ghost shopping malls" have been well-known for years.

China is currently the site of more than half the world's shopping mall construction, according to CBRE, a real estate firm, even though it appears that many of these malls will not produce good returns for their investors.  A joint report by the China Chain Store Association and Deloitte showed that by the end of this year, the total number of China's new malls is projected to reach 4,000, a jump of over 40 percent from 2011.

This brings up two follow up problems: one is that this overcapacity will remain in place for years, leading to much less construction and expansion in the coming years: "Real estate analysts note that much of the surge in retail space construction came at the behest of local governments, who were rushing to push real estate development as part of attempts to stimulate the economy. The result has been malls built in haste and managed poorly."

An even bigger problem is that sooner or later, all these bad debt that was used to fund this construction scramble and which currently generates no cash flow, will have to be reclassified as non-performing sooner or later: "If you build it and they're not coming, that's a non-performing loan," said Tim Condon of ING.

As a reminder, China's non-performing debt is the one elephant in the room which nobody dares to touch, yet which CLSA briefly touched upon two weeks ago when it calculated that the real bad debt ratio in China is not 1.5% as per official "data" but really 8.1%. Needless to say, on $30 trillion in bank assets, this is a big problem.

But the one explanation that had not been provided, also happens to be the simplest one: Chinese consumers are simply not consuming! Luckily, we have insight into that as well, courtesy of the FT's Martin Sandbu:

As if on cue, the programmed slowdown in manufacturing, investment, and export growth is perfectly matched by a rise in domestic consumption, retail and services that leaves the total economy growth number just where the government said it would be. For example, industrial output is now reported to increase at 5.8 per cent, while the growth of the services share of GDP remains stable at 8.4 per cent.

 

The real sceptics go much further — and they have good arguments on their side which the optimists do not convincingly address. As the FT’s new EM Squared service pointed out last week, there are important holes in the shift-to-services story. One is that too much of the services growth is accounted for by finance, which is tricky to measure at the best of times, and whose reported robustness after the third-quarter market mayhem is outright unbelievable. Another is that income and wage growth, which presumably should be powering the supposed consumption and services boom, is slowing.

And the chart which hammers China's hard landing home:

 

There is simply no way to spin the above data in a favorable light, which we hope also answers Reuters' original question on China's empty malls. 

In fact, the only question after reading the above should be: "how long before China's consumption dysfunction leads to empty malls in the middle of the United States itself?"



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Society
KEYWORDS: china; consumption; emptymalls
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To: toast

You probably also have to buy real merchandise in the malls. I’m assuming most Chinese people buy knockoffs of everything.


21 posted on 10/26/2015 8:41:33 AM PDT by toast
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To: Resolute Conservative

The Chinese have more than $4T in debt already.


22 posted on 10/26/2015 8:43:39 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Looks like a good place to house Syrian refugees to me.


23 posted on 10/26/2015 8:48:39 AM PDT by VTenigma (The Democratic party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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To: SeekAndFind
"how long before China's consumption dysfunction leads to empty malls in the middle of the United States itself?"

We retail China's consumer crapola so a slow down in Chinese consumer spending has no effect on the USA as we no longer export finished consumer goods to China and Asia. Actually it will make oil prices go down so the net effect is positive for the USA.

24 posted on 10/26/2015 8:48:46 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: VTenigma
Nah, it's for housing the Zombies.


25 posted on 10/26/2015 8:53:31 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SamAdams76
I'm doing pretty much all my shopping online these days

Yeah, me too, but we're males. Malls or stores will never totally disappear because of females. Women, like my wife, love the shopping experience.

My wife's eyes bug out when we pass a shopping center. She and other women see shopping in a store as almost a religious experience. Men don't look at shopping the same way. For most men, like me, shopping in a store is something to be endured.

26 posted on 10/26/2015 8:58:00 AM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion)
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To: ThomasThomas

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About 7.6% of our exports or 124 billion dollars goes to China.
1. Oil seed: $15.3 billion
2. Aircraft, spacecraft: $13.9 billion
3. Vehicles: $13.2 billion
4. Machines, engines, pumps: $12.5 billion
5. Electronic equipment: $12 billion
6. Medical, technical equipment: $7.5 billion
7. Plastics: $5.1 billion
8. Woodpulp: $3.4 billion
9. Copper: $2.9 billion
10. Wood: $2.7 billion


27 posted on 10/26/2015 9:02:22 AM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion)
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To: driftless2

It’s the Chinese government that has the money, not the Chinese people. There are not enough people with actual disposable income to frequent malls.

Not sure if this is so difficult to understand.


28 posted on 10/26/2015 9:07:02 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Jews For Cruz)
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To: SeekAndFind

Because the Chinese Escalators eat people.


29 posted on 10/26/2015 9:13:17 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (THEY LIVE, and we're the only ones wearing the Sunglasses...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Uh, did Tyler forget China just went through the largest devaluation of its currency in history? That makes consumer prices jump through the roof.

It also explains why the manufacturing sector remains intact and robust because demands for exports remain solid. But then, that was the whole purpose of the devaluation.


30 posted on 10/26/2015 9:18:22 AM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: dfwgator

“Who wants to go to malls here in the US when there are better alternatives?”

If Amazon, LL Bean, Bass Pro Shop, Costco, Nordstorm’s and fill in the blank _________ don’t have it on line.

Gift cards can do the job.


31 posted on 10/26/2015 9:23:28 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ("If you use FR and don't donate. It is my personal view that you are a Left Wing or Rino plant.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Amazon and other on line companies are hiring holiday/seasonal workers.

UPS is hiring part time workers to deliver the gifts ordered from Amazon and others.

When, we have more malls and brick stores closing, don’t blame the economy here and in China.

We are using shopping/buying alternatives we prefer.


32 posted on 10/26/2015 9:27:46 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ("If you use FR and don't donate. It is my personal view that you are a Left Wing or Rino plant.")
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To: EQAndyBuzz

and- the Chinese that have MANAGED to HIDE -

Yes- hide a couple of $million are FLEEing the
the country like crazy- (EB 5 immigrant investors to the U.S. - last year the Chinese maxed out!) on wealthy
immigrants to the U.S.- China has currently locked down
All stock transactions for wealthy individuals-

this is a BS economy- from Obozo economics- to Euro trash-
to FAKE Chinese cheap crap


33 posted on 10/26/2015 9:29:33 AM PDT by mj1234
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To: EQAndyBuzz
From the McKinsey Quarterly The explosive growth of China’s emerging middle class has brought sweeping economic change and social transformation—and it’s not over yet. By 2022, our research suggests, more than 75 percent of China’s urban consumers will earn 60,000 to 229,000 renminbi ($9,000 to $34,000) a year.

1think the wealth of the average Chinese citizen has rise enormously since 1979 when they threw out Marxist economics installed market reforms. There is now quite a few Chinese millionaires and billionaires. They might be having a slight depression in their economy, but I doubt their economy will crash.

34 posted on 10/26/2015 9:31:49 AM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion)
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To: TigersEye

Pei-Ping.


35 posted on 10/26/2015 9:32:08 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: SeekAndFind
...cause they're all stuck in traffic!


36 posted on 10/26/2015 9:37:11 AM PDT by TexasCajun (#BlackViolenceMatters)
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To: Gaffer

My sister and I went to the Mall after Christmas last year to spend our JC Penney’s gift cards. That’s the last time I was there. I buy my clothes at Costco, Bass Pro Shop, and TJ Max.


37 posted on 10/26/2015 9:37:24 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Gaffer

” have never been robbed, mugged or bothered here at home on my computer. Amazon and all the other retailers have an online presence that is absent Obama voters, and I can get my stuff very quickly. Outside of malware and virus protection, the needs to shop are relatively painless.”

Here in Californicator land, so called harmless felons have been released from jail early and of course have no way to make a living.

So cities/counties like Gay Frisco, don’t classify auto break ins as crimes. They consider an auto breakin as a misdemeanor and don’t send an officer to investigate and don’t file reports.

Any car parked in Gay Frisco will probably be broken into.
So your Christmas presents will become some junky’s next hit after selling it on the street and you “give” it to him.


38 posted on 10/26/2015 9:40:00 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ("If you use FR and don't donate. It is my personal view that you are a Left Wing or Rino plant.")
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To: SeekAndFind

The underground malls in Guangzhou (photo above taken by yours truly) were pretty darned busy when I was there in July.

It depends where you look. China has a lot of glittering malls full of stores featuring overpriced domestic "luxury" brands - those are rarely busy. Chinese are also buying true designer brands overseas to avoid the 35% import tax, so there aren't lines going out the door at the Hermes store the way there are in Hong Kong. But places where good products at reasonable prices can be found are still jammed with middle class shoppers at all hours.

It's not too different from the USA. The faux luxury brands popular a decade ago are getting crushed.

39 posted on 10/26/2015 9:42:27 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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To: driftless2

“Yeah, me too, but we’re males. Malls or stores will never totally disappear because of females. Women, like my wife, love the shopping experience.”

My wife finally retired a few years ago, and she still liked to shop.

Now she hates malls and shopping as much as I do. She will go to our local discount shopping center and to Talbot’s and maybe one other store if she has a gift card and can’t find what she wants on line.

Last week, she said she would like a light/medium weight down jacket for the fall/spring. Then I saw her looking at my new Cabela’s
cold weather catalog with sale prices and free shipping.

She said that she wanted one of the jackets on the back cover. We went into my office hooked up my Chromebook to our RJ45 and ordered the jacket in about a minute. It will be delivered free at the end of the week. She had been looking at the LL Bean catalog with 20% off and free delivery. She felt the Cabela’s jacket would be good, and if it is like most Cabela’s items, it would be in good shape for years.


40 posted on 10/26/2015 9:54:28 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ("If you use FR and don't donate. It is my personal view that you are a Left Wing or Rino plant.")
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