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To: free_life

I notice people who believe in your Post-Trib view NEVER quote scripture. Those of us who do believe in Pre-Trib have plenty of scripture.

So...your proof?

I’ve laid out mine in the thread.


70 posted on 05/06/2015 4:35:18 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Unapologetic supporters of Obama, Sodomy, and Abortion will find the afterlife rather torturous)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Even when they do use scripture they run into brick walls .....then they resort to arguing translation literal, symbolic or other wise.

When they take someone into the deep woods it will always grow darker.


88 posted on 05/06/2015 10:38:26 AM PDT by caww
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

The scriptures were already provided by the article the thread is on, but here you go.

You have not laid out any scripture that gives any indication of a pre-tribulation rapture as there are none.

The Lord returns ...trumpet...dead in Christ are raised from the dead and receive new resurrected bodies then us who are still alive on earth are caught up with new resurrected bodies and we come down with the Lord to Jerusalem.

Jesus second coming is just that his second coming, there is no third coming of Jesus. We are not given new resurrected bodies to only then be returned to heaven (those believers who have died on earth), these new resurrected bodies are for earth.

How will pre-trib’ers fare in great tribulation when they don’t even understand scripture?

Matthew 24:30-31 “ Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”

First Thessalonians 4:16 “For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.”

First Thessalonians 4:17 “Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. Therefore encourage one another with these words.”

First Thessalonians 4:13-18 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. Therefore encourage one another with these words.


90 posted on 05/06/2015 10:57:38 AM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Matthew 24, Verse 21 great tribulation .... verse 29 after the tribulation ... verses 30 & 31 then the Lord returns and gathers his elect. Same sequence of events in Mark 13:19-27

If there are scriptures that support a different sequence of events that show 2nd return of Jesus...catching up of believers...removal of believers .... great tribulation...3rd return of Jesus...show them! You are repeating what you have been taught, now read the word of God as shown here and receive the truth.

Matthew 24:21-31
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days be shortened, there shall no flesh be saved: but for the elects sake those days shall be shortened.
23 then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds from one end of heaven to the other.


91 posted on 05/06/2015 11:14:45 AM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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