Posted on 04/29/2015 5:30:04 AM PDT by Usagi_yo
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It's not up to the cops to apply punishment. It's up to the courts. If they don't do it as you like, change it, don't dump it.
Extra-Judicial punishment is always wrong.
People that advocate it are not espousing conservative values. Conservatives are supposed to believe in the rule of law.
/johnny
It used to be called “The nickel ride.” It is a Baltimore and Philly method of “curbside justice” given to perps the when the police believe they need a little extra convincing. Freddie was arrested over 20 times, so it’s safe to assume the police knew him well.
Old cop joke: “How many police does it take to throw a handcuffed prisoner down the stairs at the jail?”
Answer: “None. They always jump.”
It’s another more sinister sense of entitlement that cops have grown accustomed too.
I certainly don’t advocate extra judicial punishment.
I only advocate a non-judicial military type of punishment that can be meted out to misguided cops from somewhere outside the general chain of authority and supersede a “self investigation” report.
Yea, but don’t they beat you senseless first in Philly?
I don’t know about Philly. The “nickel ride” was a way to give a deniable beating, no witnesses.
If I don't like it, I can try to get the law changed.
But it has to be written laws that they follow, not unwritten, just because he ran rules that cops made up.
I believe that there are laws on the books about running from police. Enforce those.
/johnny
I think we agree with one another.
The problem is, just like so many liberal idiots are spouting today (including the one in the White House), this is a systemic problem across America. This is using one incident, which was completely legal and correct (Michael Brown shooting) and comparing it to something that was completely ILLEGAL and WRONG (extra-judicial punishment (if that is what happened)). And then saying, “We understand why they are doing this.”
That is horse-hockey.
I have transported literally thousands of prisoners in my time. Sunday was the first time I ever buckled one up. In order to buckle a prisoner you have to reach across the person. The subject I had was small framed, contrite and sober so I felt it was safe. He asked to be buckled. I will transport another couple dozen tomorrow (another job) and will not buckle any of those up. Officer assaults will increase dramatically if a requirement to buckle all prisoners goes into affect. I should add that MOST police vehicles do not have seatbelts in the back seat. For years Michigan State Police did not have security cages in their cars and they transported in the front seat, buckled. So it is not a new concept, just one that isn’t done on a regular basis. Transport vans would be deadly. This would require an officer to enter the transport area to secure the prisoner. I cannot think of a more unsafe action for an officer.
I understand; however, in the Freddie Gray case, it is my understanding that it is Baltimore Police Department (BPD) policy to buckle their prisoners in the back seat.
I agree, that there are times when buckling a prisoner in would be worse than not (i.e., confrontational prisoner, bleeding prisoner, etc...). I have never been a police officer. I was a chaser for a few months in the Marine Corps, and did apprehend, arrest, and transport prisoners to the brig.
My reference was only to the fore mentioned BPD policy.
Sounds like there’s a Floyd Ferris wannabe in the highest levels of the Baltimore PD.
As long as there are criminals, police, and lenient judges, these practices will continue.
It's up to citizens to put a stop to extra-judicial punishments.
It's not up to us to justify it.
/johnny
If Pittsburgh cops did this, you’d be dead (potholes).
No, as long as some jobs attract low quality individuals that management doesn’t supervise properly, then corruption, theft, bribery, and abuse of prisoners will take place.
Simple problems are not unsolvable, the “nickel ride” has probably been an activity of thuggish cops for a hundred years.
In 2015 we don’t want to hear that it is impossible to not send arrestees to the hospital when driving them to the station, we just want it ended.
Surely enough generations of time have passed that we can work out the problem of driving someone 5 miles without abusing them.
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