Posted on 04/23/2015 7:59:36 AM PDT by Heartlander
The neural circuits in our brain manage the beautifully coordinated and smoothly appropriate behavior of our body. They also produce the entrancing introspective illusion that thoughts really are about stuff in the world. This powerful illusion has been with humanity since language kicked in, as well see. It is the source of at least two other profound myths: that we have purposes that give our actions and lives meaning and that there is a person in there steering the body, so to speak.
[A.Rosenberg, The Atheist's Guide To Reality, Ch.9]
Since we are creatures of natural selection, we cannot totally trust our senses. Evolution only passes on traits that help a species survive, and not concerned with preserving traits that tell a species what is actually true about life.
Richard Dawkins quoted from The God Delusion
Our brains were shaped for fitness, not for truth. Sometimes the truth is adaptive, but sometimes it is not.
- Steven Pinker
It seems to me immensely unlikely that mind is a mere by-product of matter. For if my mental processes are determined wholly by the motions of atoms in my brain, I have no reason to suppose that my beliefs are true. They may be sound chemically, but that does not make them sound logically. And hence I have no reason for supposing my brain to be composed of atoms. In order to escape from this necessity of sawing away the branch on which I am sitting, so to speak, I am compelled to believe that mind is not wholly conditioned by matter.
J. B. S. Haldane
One absolutely central inconsistency ruins [the popular scientific philosophy]. The whole picture professes to depend on inferences from observed facts. Unless inference is valid, the whole picture disappears unless Reason is an absolute, all is in ruins. Yet those who ask me to believe this world picture also ask me to believe that Reason is simply the unforeseen and unintended by-product of mindless matter at one stage of its endless and aimless becoming. Here is flat contradiction. They ask me at the same moment to accept a conclusion and to discredit the only testimony on which that conclusion can be based.
C.S. Lewis, Is Theology Poetry (aka the Argument from Reason)
[The denial of consciousness] is surely the strangest thing that has ever happened in the whole history of human thought. [It shows] that the power of human credulity is unlimited, that the capacity of human minds to be gripped by theory, by faith, is truly unbounded. [It reveals] the deepest irrationality of the human mind.
- Galen Strawson
Beg to differ...The ELITE RULING society has absolutely NO moral code. Examples: Hill and Bill et al., The US Congress and the 1/2 white mosque.
I have this theory called the “3x5 Card Theory”.
Thirty-thousand years ago, with our vast knowledge, resources, retention, information sharing and pondering...at best, we probably had an index of information that could fit on six 3x5 index cards by the age of thirty.
Two thousand years ago, with our vast knowledge, resources, retention, information sharing and pondering...at best, we probably had an index of information that could fit on thirty 3x5 index cards by the age of thirty.
A thousand years ago? Maybe sixty 3x5 index cards of knowledge by age thirty.
Around 1700...roughly 150 years after the printing press arrived and reading then became attainable with acts of higher learning spreading around Europe...we probably had around 200 3x5 index cards of knowledge by age thirty.
Somewhere around 1900....with newspapers and books readily available...we were probably broaching near 500 3x5 index cards of knowledge by age thirty.
Today? With various information tools, helpful reminders, continuing education....we might be near 2,000 3x5 index cards of knowledge.
Every step of the way....reason and calculating were enhanced. You can call this improvement any term you want...but we stepped up to the plate and built onto each generation a little bit more of knowledge.
oddly enough there are no other species..with any 3 X 5 cards
The choice to think or not to think is not necessitated by antecedent factors and is a causal primary.
“One section in his book is even titled “We Are Robots Designed Not to Believe That We Are Robots.””
Designed by whom?
Their “moral code” is that they are superior enough, intellectually and ethically, to know when they can and must bend the rules in order to advance the “greater good” for everyone.
The world is mad, or stupid, or both. The same people who deny free will in humans, avidly accept it in robots. A robot is a machine controlled by a computer program. It is designed to mimic some human actions, and to have two dots, a line, and a slit placed in such a way as to be interpreted as a “face.” A computer is deterministic - everything is determined by factors that can be seen and measured.
Yet some people see robots as capable of taking over the world (they couldn’t do it without free will.)
Yep, that’s what makes us so unique and so advanced. If Caveman Joe and Marty had just written down some notes to remind them to skip the wild tribe on the other side of the hill....things would have gone differently.
I agree on the importance of morality, but I have no idea why the author is using the subject to attack evolutionary biology.
The role of morality in our success as a species is probably better handled by other branches of science.
The world is in Denial. the denial of the existence of the Creator who gave them the free will to be ..in denial
Evolution will be a null-subject when the day comes and they’ve found some life on another planet. Theories and ideology will be thrown for a loop, and we can wipe everything off the white board and just start fresh.
The notion that evolution undermines any objective morality is widespread in academic circles. Darwin taught this in The Descent of Man, and many contemporary evolutionists agree. Last summer I attended a conference on The Evolution of Morality and the Morality of Evolution at Oxford University. One of the keynote speakers at the conference was Michael Ruse, one of the most prominent philosophers of science today. He famously wrote in a 1985 article co-authored with E. O. Wilson, the founder of sociobiology: Ethics as we understand it is an illusion fobbed off on us by our genes to get us to co-operate. Ruse has reaffirmed this position many times since then.If we were built by a process which did not have us in mind but is merely tuned for survival, then, like it or not, there must be a Darwinian explanation for our thoughts and behavior. Put another way, one cannot claim that Darwinism made our brains but has no bearing on the brain's contents.At that Oxford conference I presented a paper about the history of evolutionary ethics, showing that many evolutionists from Darwin to the present have rejected objective morality in favor of evolutionary ethics. Indeed I became interested in studying the history of evolutionary ethics when I was working on my dissertation in the early 1990s on the reception of Darwinism by German socialists. While researching this theme, I noticed that many Darwinists, both scientists and other scholars, wanted to replace Christian ethics with some kind of evolutionary ethics. Some hoped to construct a whole system of morality on evolutionary theory. Others dismissed this as misguided. However, mostincluding Darwin himselftried to explain the origins of morality through evolutionary processes.
Also, while I was a graduate student at the University of Iowa in the early 1990s, two prominent Christian intellectuals came to the university and gave talks about apologetics. They both argued that objective morality exists and provides strong evidence for the existence of God. During the question and answer session after their presentations, secularists in the audience challenged their claim that objective morality exists. The primary argument of the secularists was that morality had evolved through natural selection, so it did not have a theistic origin.
Richard Weikart
See also Evolutionary Ethics
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