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WEEKLY GARDEN THREAD VOLUME 11, MARCH 13, 2015
freerepublic | 3/13/2015 | greeneyes

Posted on 03/13/2015 12:27:32 PM PDT by greeneyes

The Weekly Gardening Thread is a weekly gathering of folks that love soil, seeds and plants of all kinds. From complete newbies that are looking to start that first potted plant, to gardeners with some acreage, to Master Gardener level and beyond, we would love to hear from you. This thread is non-political, although you will find that most here are conservative folks.

No matter what, you won’t be flamed and the only dumb question is the one that isn’t asked. It is impossible to hijack the Weekly Gardening Thread. Planting, Harvest to Table(recipes)preserving, good living - there is no telling where it will go and... that is part of the fun and interest. Jump in and join us!

NOTE: This is a once a week ping list. We do post to the thread during the week. Links to related articles and discussions which might be of interest are welcomed, so feel free to post them at any time.


TOPICS: Gardening
KEYWORDS: agriculture; food; gardening; homesteading
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To: Ann de IL; greeneyes; JRandomFreeper
Ann de IL:" the square foot gardening looks really interesting.
I can’t do much worse than last year and it looks like it would also be easier to harvest than rows."

Square Foot Gardening is an excellent resource, and specializes in "raised bed" gardening,where you controll the growing medium(soil), moisture, and is easier on the back.
It is excellent for a small spaced, but highly productive garden; it maiximizes productivity for a small space.
It is a controlled elevated garden based on mature plant size, moisture retention requirements, and controlls the soil type.

To start a garden, for larger areas, which are not a raised bed, I would reccomend "sterilizing the soil" with 6 mil plastic as suggested by JRandomFreeper.
However, I have misplaced his intructions and procedures as it will knock out weed seeds , nematodes , and other soil-borne issues which inhibit plant growth in large areas.
Hopefully he will comment and provide procedures.

Personally , I prefer "Wide Row" gardening which maximizes production and minimizes wasted space in the garden.
My "wide Rows" are the width of my tiller, rather than planting in a single line/row, and minimize the wasted space and path between crops.
Crop rows are about 26 - 28 inches wide, with 'foot paths' of only 14 inches wide, thus maximizing garden productivity.

You mentioned earlier that someone recommended using "Round UP" (Monsanto) on the weeds.
I would reccomend against it, as it appears there may be some chemical residual latency left in the soil, and may, after a time, wash into the local watershed .

61 posted on 03/13/2015 9:51:35 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt
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To: matthew fuller

We have discovered the “jiffy” anything is not so nifty. I either make our own or use espoma, although hubby sometimes gets lured in by a sale at Walmart, and often regrets it later.


62 posted on 03/13/2015 10:00:58 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Le//t Freedom Ring.)
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To: Ann de IL

It’s been easier for me than rows. I placed the beds at the against the retaining wall at the edge of my patio. So I can stand on the patio and tend the beds on the uphill side without bending over. They are just 3ft wide and 4ft long.

Hubby has raised beds now that are 3 to 5 foot wide piled up and running the full length of his former garden plot, and have strips of carpet to walk on in between of about 1 foot in width.


63 posted on 03/13/2015 10:06:25 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Le//t Freedom Ring.)
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To: bog trotter

That’s interesting. Maybe the bee will be like the ground hog, and predict the coming end of winter. LOL


64 posted on 03/13/2015 10:07:44 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Le//t Freedom Ring.)
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To: tubebender

Well, it might be better than using a Missouri Mule?


65 posted on 03/13/2015 10:08:40 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Le//t Freedom Ring.)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

Might be able to find it using a search engine, I have found stuff that way, when I couldn’t find them using FR search feature.


66 posted on 03/13/2015 10:12:40 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Le//t Freedom Ring.)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

I actually tried the wide row planting last year. I think it failed due to the fact that the rye grass had also been planted in the same area. I did not know about it until I had started the garden there, it’s a long story. But it all got away from me when I had to be away for over 2 weeks. When I got back, my garden was invisible and the rye grass was knee high. I tried weeding and using the rototillers but it was too late.

I got a few tomatoes, some green beans, a few potatoes. The only thing that did at all well was the peppers. Lots and lots of jalapenos and banana peppers. Oh, and one lonely zucchini.


67 posted on 03/13/2015 10:13:18 PM PDT by Ann de IL
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To: tubebender

That’s nice. Not as great as a geo/dome but still better than nothing.


68 posted on 03/13/2015 10:14:41 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Le//t Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes
greeneyes :" Might be able to find it using a search engine, I have found stuff that way, when I couldn’t find them using FR search feature."

I already tried the FR search, and was unsuccesful.
Hopefully, Johnny will respond with instructions, as I hadn't found them elsewhere.

69 posted on 03/13/2015 10:16:05 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt
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To: Ann de IL
Ann de IL:" I actually tried the wide row planting last year. I think it failed due to the fact that the rye grass had also been planted in the same area."

There are two types of ryegrass : one is a perrenial, the other is an annual.
That is why I also suggested "Soil Sterilization" for larger areas with 6 mil transparent plastic.
It may take several months, but it will allow you to reclaim land for a garden, or just ryegrass elimination.

70 posted on 03/13/2015 10:22:04 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

Just lay out the plastic over the area and stake it down for a season? I can do that.


71 posted on 03/13/2015 10:32:29 PM PDT by Ann de IL
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

I was suggesting using a general search engine - not the FR one, which I always have trouble locating stuff with it.

Sometimes, when I am doing a general search, FR pops up with a post that answers the question. LOL

Hopefully Johnny will see the question and respond.


72 posted on 03/13/2015 10:38:16 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Le//t Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes; tubebender
greeneyes :" That’s nice. Not as great as a geo/dome but still better than nothing."

When I was in VISTA, I looked into geo-dome by Buckminster Fuller fro the purpose of 'emergency housing'.
Domes are structuraly sound and wind resistant, but so few things are designed for 'curve' foundations; all furniture and appliances are designed as rectangles.
As a result, there is much wasted space , but heating and cooling currents are productive.
Provided the greenhouse is adequately secured against prevailing winds, I think you will find it more productive with the squared
and perpendicular walls(Shelves/trays) since they are all rectangles.
I made a Geodesic Dome out of 'tongue depressers' about 2 1/2 feet high ,and was able to stand on it (when I weighed #170 pounds, many decades ago, LOL !).

73 posted on 03/13/2015 10:38:35 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

I use annual winter rye grass as a “green” soil conditioner, and just turn it over, cover with plastic, and work it in later.

It’s supposed to be helpful in destroying some pests and add a bit of nitrogen to the soil. It can interfere with germination though, so it needs to be killed off and worked in well ahead of time.


74 posted on 03/13/2015 10:44:01 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Le//t Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes; JRandomFreeper
greeneyes:" Hopefully Johnny will see the question and respond."

Me too !
I lost/ misplaced Johnny's instructions on "soil sterilization" , and have been kicking myself .

75 posted on 03/13/2015 10:49:16 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt
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To: EQAndyBuzz

So is Pedigree also made in China now? What about the canned pedigree, does it have problems too?


76 posted on 03/13/2015 10:51:35 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Le//t Freedom Ring.)
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To: Ann de IL
Ann de IL :" Just lay out the plastic over the area and stake it down for a season? I can do that."

I believe that to be correct, but prefer Johnny's expertise
I believe the 6 mil transparent platic is left in position on the surface where you intend to sterilize, until the soil temperatures reach 180 degrees.
It eliminates all soil borne bacteria ,weeds, nematodes , and pests
You still must rotate crops every 4 years as it has no/little effect on soil borne viri.
But I yield to Johnny's previous expierience and instruction .

77 posted on 03/13/2015 11:05:37 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

I thought I was being smart by copying such info onto my word processing program and saving it. Lost a lot of info when the computer died, as I hadn’t backed it up for a while.

I lost a lot of prepper info too. Now I have a green notebook for garden stuff and brighter green for prepper stuff.


78 posted on 03/13/2015 11:42:14 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Le//t Freedom Ring.)
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To: tubebender

That is very cool!

Or should I say, “Hot”? :-)


79 posted on 03/14/2015 4:51:10 AM PDT by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt
I simply just covered the soil with plastic, keeping the edges down with ground staples or whatever is cheap and easy.

I leave that through August so that everything dies under it.

CLEAR works better than black plastic, from measured temps over 147F.

Then, I till and plant (after removing lots of material to the compost pile).

/johnny

80 posted on 03/14/2015 5:43:55 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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