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The 100 best novels: No 75 – Lolita by Vladimir Nabokov (1955)
The Guardian ^ | 2/23/2015 | Robert McCrum

Posted on 02/23/2015 9:41:24 AM PST by Borges

One of Lolita’s first supporters, the great critic Lionel Trilling, addressed what is perhaps a central issue at the heart of this controversial novel, when he warned of the moral difficulty in interpreting a book with such an eloquent narrator: “We find ourselves the more shocked when we realize that, in the course of reading the novel, we have come virtually to condone the violation it presents… We have been seduced into conniving in the violation, because we have permitted our fantasies to accept what we know to be revolting.”

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TOPICS: Books/Literature
KEYWORDS: lolita; nabokov; vladimirnabokov
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Trilling's comment is relevant to how fiction works in general. Crime and Punishment, Psycho, The Godfather.
1 posted on 02/23/2015 9:41:24 AM PST by Borges
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To: Borges
“We find ourselves the more shocked when we realize that, in the course of reading the novel, we have come virtually to condone the violation it presents… We have been seduced into conniving in the violation, because we have permitted our fantasies to accept what we know to be revolting.”

And this is praiseworthy?

2 posted on 02/23/2015 9:43:03 AM PST by 9thLife ("Life is a military endeavor..." -- Pope Francis)
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To: 9thLife

Art is supposed to challenge. Not tell you what you already know about yourself or the world.


3 posted on 02/23/2015 9:44:34 AM PST by Borges
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To: Utah Binger

Ping to the Binger.


4 posted on 02/23/2015 9:45:30 AM PST by colorcountry (The gospel will transform our politics, not vice versa (Romans 12:1,2))
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To: Borges

You’re defending this as exemplary art?


5 posted on 02/23/2015 9:47:20 AM PST by 9thLife ("Life is a military endeavor..." -- Pope Francis)
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To: Borges

That book by Nabokov.


6 posted on 02/23/2015 9:49:09 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Borges

“The only believable love story ever written.”


7 posted on 02/23/2015 9:50:20 AM PST by golux
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To: Borges

I am not reading a book about a pedophile


8 posted on 02/23/2015 9:50:29 AM PST by GeronL
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To: 9thLife

definitely not praiseworthy IMO


9 posted on 02/23/2015 9:51:15 AM PST by GeronL
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To: 9thLife

Yeah, if it’s done right. You accept it, then you’re repelled by it, but you get repelled by yourself because you accepted it. This kind of art points a mirror at a part of yourself you usually think (hope) doesn’t exist, and it forces you to say “yes, I see I have the ability to be evil”, and reminds you how successful you are at not. To draw a comparison that I’m sure will make some roll their eyes it’s the reason why Alice Cooper is the king of shock rock, many can write shocking lyrics, but only Alice makes you stop and think “I’m singing along with a song about cannibalism, that’s just wrong”. You don’t really know how good a person you are until you come to grips with how bad a person you’re not.


10 posted on 02/23/2015 9:51:23 AM PST by discostu (The albatross begins with its vengeance A terrible curse a thirst has begun)
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To: Borges

All I can say is that I hope “Catcher in the Rye” didn’t make the list. (or even the list of the 1000 best novels)


11 posted on 02/23/2015 9:52:36 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (Isn't it funny that Socialists never want to share their own money?)
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To: Borges

“Art is supposed to challenge. Not tell you what you already know about yourself or the world.”

I think your two sentences are non-sequitar.

The first one, art is to challenge.

Says who?


12 posted on 02/23/2015 9:55:18 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: dfwgator

Love that song.


13 posted on 02/23/2015 9:55:31 AM PST by Hiro Protaginast
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To: Borges
Triumph of the Will is art
Birth of a Nation is art

But does being art also prevent challenging with their statement as also being corrupt propaganda?

14 posted on 02/23/2015 9:56:51 AM PST by tophat9000 (An Eye for an Eye, a Word for a Word...nothing more)
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To: Hiro Protaginast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNIZofPB8ZM


15 posted on 02/23/2015 9:57:28 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: discostu
What you describe is something a bit more sublime than "We have been seduced into conniving in the violation, because we have permitted our fantasies to accept what we know to be revolting", though the latter may be involved in the former. But the former goes dimensions further in using art to serve humanity.

As for the notion that "art is supposed to challenge", that's like saying "everyone should be equal": it's meaningless.

Art is supposed to express the truth.

I've never read the book and never will, so I don't know if this "art" redeems itself. I gather not.

I prefer not to be "challenged" "to accept what we know to be revolting" nor do I think such an experience is the mother of virtue. In fact, I argue it's the opposite.

16 posted on 02/23/2015 9:57:39 AM PST by 9thLife ("Life is a military endeavor..." -- Pope Francis)
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To: ifinnegan

Artists. At least most of the good ones.


17 posted on 02/23/2015 9:59:28 AM PST by discostu (The albatross begins with its vengeance A terrible curse a thirst has begun)
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To: Borges
Not tell you what you already know about yourself

My guess is that is precisely what Lolita does for you.

And Trilling too, the old carbuncle.

18 posted on 02/23/2015 10:00:22 AM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: discostu

Which artist. Name one.

A quote would be good.

Is “challenging” the only role of art?


19 posted on 02/23/2015 10:00:39 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: Borges

Art is supposed to challenge.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I am an artist. I disagree.

If a creation of an artist doesn’t challenge does that mean it isn’t art? There is a lot of highly acclaimed art hanging in the halls of respected museums that doesn’t challenge but instead affirms, uplifts, and even soothes the senses.


20 posted on 02/23/2015 10:02:06 AM PST by wintertime
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