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Infinity Is a Beautiful Concept – And It’s Ruining Physics
Discover Magazine ^ | 2/20/15 | Max Tegmark

Posted on 02/20/2015 6:01:20 PM PST by LibWhacker

Infinity Is a Beautiful Concept – And It’s Ruining Physics

By Max Tegmark | February 20, 2015 9:00 am

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I was seduced by infinity at an early age. Georg Cantor’s diagonality proof that some infinities are bigger than others mesmerized me, and his infinite hierarchy of infinities blew my mind. The assumption that something truly infinite exists in nature underlies every physics course I’ve ever taught at MIT—and, indeed, all of modern physics. But it’s an untested assumption, which begs the question: Is it actually true?

A Crisis in Physics

There are in fact two separate assumptions: “infinitely big” and “infinitely small.” By infinitely big, I mean that space can have infinite volume, that time can continue forever, and that there can be infinitely many physical objects. By infinitely small, I mean the continuum—the idea that even a liter of space contains an infinite number of points, that space can be stretched out indefinitely without anything bad happening, and that there are quantities in nature that can vary continuously.

The two assumptions are closely related, because inflation, the most popular explanation of our Big Bang, can create an infinite volume by stretching continuous space indefinitely. The theory of inflation has been spectacularly successful and is a leading contender for a Nobel Prize. It explains how a subatomic speck of matter transformed into a massive Big Bang, creating a huge, flat, uniform universe, with tiny density fluctuations that eventually grew into today’s galaxies and cosmic large-scale structure—all in beautiful agreement with precision measurements from experiments such as the Planck and the BICEP2 experiments. But by predicting that space isn’t just big but truly infinite, inflation has also brought about the so-called measure problem, which I view as the greatest crisis facing modern physics.

Physics is all about predicting the future from the past, but inflation seems to sabotage this. When we try to predict the probability that something particular will happen, inflation always gives the same useless answer: infinity divided by infinity. The problem is that whatever experiment you make, inflation predicts there will be infinitely many copies of you, far away in our infinite space, obtaining each physically possible outcome; and despite years of teeth-grinding in the cosmology community, no consensus has emerged on how to extract sensible answers from these infinities. So, strictly speaking, we physicists can no longer predict anything at all!

This means that today’s best theories need a major shakeup by retiring an incorrect assumption. Which one? Here’s my prime suspect: ∞.

Infinity Doesn’t Exist

A rubber band can’t be stretched indefinitely, because although it seems smooth and continuous, that’s merely a convenient approximation. It’s really made of atoms, and if you stretch it too far, it snaps. If we similarly retire the idea that space itself is an infinitely stretchy continuum, then a big snap of sorts stops inflation from producing an infinitely big space and the measure problem goes away. Without the infinitely small, inflation can’t make the infinitely big, so you get rid of both infinities in one fell swoop—together with many other problems plaguing modern physics, such as infinitely dense black-hole singularities and infinities popping up when we try to quantize gravity.

In the past, many venerable mathematicians were skeptical of infinity and the continuum. The legendary Carl Friedrich Gauss denied that anything infinite really exists, saying “Infinity is merely a way of speaking” and “I protest against the use of infinite magnitude as something completed, which is never permissible in mathematics.” In the past century, however, infinity has become mathematically mainstream, and most physicists and mathematicians have become so enamored with infinity that they rarely question it. Why? Basically, because infinity is an extremely convenient approximation for which we haven’t discovered convenient alternatives.

Consider, for example, the air in front of you. Keeping track of the positions and speeds of octillions of atoms would be hopelessly complicated. But if you ignore the fact that air is made of atoms and instead approximate it as a continuum—a smooth substance that has a density, pressure, and velocity at each point—you’ll find that this idealized air obeys a beautifully simple equation explaining almost everything we care about: how to build airplanes, how we hear them with sound waves, how to make weather forecasts, and so forth. Yet despite all that convenience, air of course isn’t truly continuous. I think it’s the same way for space, time, and all the other building blocks of our physical world.

We Don’t Need the Infinite

Let’s face it: Despite their seductive allure, we have no direct observational evidence for either the infinitely big or the infinitely small. We speak of infinite volumes with infinitely many planets, but our observable universe contains only about 1089 objects (mostly photons). If space is a true continuum, then to describe even something as simple as the distance between two points requires an infinite amount of information, specified by a number with infinitely many decimal places. In practice, we physicists have never managed to measure anything to more than about seventeen decimal places. Yet real numbers, with their infinitely many decimals, have infested almost every nook and cranny of physics, from the strengths of electromagnetic fields to the wave functions of quantum mechanics. We describe even a single bit of quantum information (qubit) using two real numbers involving infinitely many decimals.

Not only do we lack evidence for the infinite but we don’t need the infinite to do physics. Our best computer simulations, accurately describing everything from the formation of galaxies to tomorrow’s weather to the masses of elementary particles, use only finite computer resources by treating everything as finite. So if we can do without infinity to figure out what happens next, surely nature can, too—in a way that’s more deep and elegant than the hacks we use for our computer simulations.

Our challenge as physicists is to discover this elegant way and the infinity-free equations describing it—the true laws of physics. To start this search in earnest, we need to question infinity. I’m betting that we also need to let go of it.


TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: existence; infinity; mathematics; physics; stringtheory
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To: LibWhacker

Our challenge as physicists is to discover this elegant way and the infinity-free equations describing it—the true laws of physics. To start this search in earnest, we need to question infinity. I’m betting that we also need to let go of it.

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Maybe infinity is like the imaginary number and they should get rid of that, too.


41 posted on 02/20/2015 6:58:56 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: onedoug

Playing with infinities is all fun and games...until someone loses their mind.

I think the amount of derivatives may be infinite.


42 posted on 02/20/2015 7:00:48 PM PST by Bobalu (If we live to see 2017 we will be kissing the ground)
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To: LibWhacker

Most physicists don’t believe that infinity exists. There are some quantities which are very large and others that are extreme;y small but infinities only arise in mathematical abstraction and description of the physical world, but not in the real world.


43 posted on 02/20/2015 7:06:37 PM PST by expat2
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To: central_va

infinity / infinity = unity. —

But anything divided by 0 = infinity, so

infinity = anything/0, and substituting in:

(exercise left to student) ...

anything / anything = 1


44 posted on 02/20/2015 7:07:38 PM PST by Scrambler Bob (Bo: capitalized is the dog.)
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To: dragnet2

it will be reduced to potty talk —

Of course:

Poop / 0 = infinity.


45 posted on 02/20/2015 7:09:49 PM PST by Scrambler Bob (Bo: capitalized is the dog.)
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To: Scrambler Bob

Clever quip bob...


46 posted on 02/20/2015 7:11:01 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

I’m sorry, It’s been a pretty trying day.

Actually, my formula did describe the situation.


47 posted on 02/20/2015 7:15:48 PM PST by Scrambler Bob (Bo: capitalized is the dog.)
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To: Scrambler Bob

I understand. In a society run by poop brained mentally ill lunatics, it’s difficult to have a good day.


48 posted on 02/20/2015 7:19:05 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
you said physicists don't have a clue. The physicist in this article made a statement about time and infinity that I believe to be potentially contradictory -- supporting the idea that "physicists don't have a clue".

But that was way more work than it was worth, don't you think? I do, and I'm outta here.

49 posted on 02/20/2015 7:20:32 PM PST by 9thLife ("Life is a military endeavor..." -- Pope Francis)
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To: dragnet2

poop brained mentally ill lunatics / their IQ,

Well, the sky’s the limit.


50 posted on 02/20/2015 7:23:35 PM PST by Scrambler Bob (Bo: capitalized is the dog.)
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To: 9thLife
The physicist in this article made a statement about time and infinity that I believe to be potentially contradictory

Yes they did, but I didn't. BTW, you might believe it's contradictory, but what you believe and what the actual reality is likely conflict.

I'm outta here.

Cheers...

51 posted on 02/20/2015 7:27:01 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: LibWhacker

When I was five years old, an older Lady who lived upstairs from us was babysitting me.

We ware sitting on the Stoop (front porch) the enjoying the evening and looking up at the Stars in the Sky. I turned to the poor Lady and asked, where does Space end?

She looked at me like I was a Community Organizer from Chicago and I don’t think she really answered my question.

When my Parents got home, she told my Mother that I was an “interesting” Child. LOL


52 posted on 02/20/2015 7:35:03 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (If you think the Mulatto Marxist is bad, just wait until the Menopausal Marxist shows up.)
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To: LibWhacker
But it’s an untested assumption, which begs the question: Is it actually true?

Once upon a time, somebody heard the expression "begs the question" and started using it without bothering to find out what it means.

Even worse, although it has appeared on many lists of "commonly misused expressions," there still exist so-called writers who keep misusing it. They should, of course, be lined up against a wall and...

53 posted on 02/20/2015 7:42:15 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

If something can be “twice as small” or “one-thousand times as small”—and “journalists” tell us these things all the time—why can’t something be “infinitely small”?


54 posted on 02/20/2015 7:43:45 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: jjotto

God is infinite! (That is, too big to care if I sleep with the babysitter.)


55 posted on 02/20/2015 7:44:59 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: ClearCase_guy
If I can’t understand it and it confuses me, it doesn't exist.

The atheist's creed.

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The most accurate summation of the Atheist religion I've ever read. Brilliant.

56 posted on 02/20/2015 7:46:23 PM PST by farming pharmer
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To: Arthur McGowan

Or, “ten times quieter” or “three times less filling” or...


57 posted on 02/20/2015 7:46:28 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Kickass Conservative
I turned to the poor Lady and asked, where does Space end? She looked at me like I was a Community Organizer from Chicago and I don’t think she really answered my question.

She was speechless. That was probably a, "WTF are you talking about, where's my lunch" look she was emitting. You misread it...maybe not....lol

58 posted on 02/20/2015 7:51:53 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Arthur McGowan

Oh, I did not intend to say that “Infinitely small” is not plausible. All I said was that he left out “Finitely small”. ;-)


59 posted on 02/20/2015 7:53:30 PM PST by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Why does every totalitarian, political hack think that he knows how to run my life better than I do?)
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To: LibWhacker

“Not only is the universe stranger than we imagine, it is stranger than we can imagine.” Sir Arthur Eddington
English astronomer (1882 - 1944)


60 posted on 02/20/2015 8:03:18 PM PST by donaldo
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