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On Darwin Day, 5 facts about the evolution debate
Pew Research Center ^ | February 12, 2015 | David Masci

Posted on 02/12/2015 12:45:36 PM PST by EveningStar

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To: EveningStar

[[5 facts about the evolution debate]]

1: It is biologically impossible

2: it is chemically impossible

3: it is mathematically impossible

4: it is physically impossible

5: it is thermodynamically impossible

Apparently nothing created everything while violating all scientific laws- Golly that nothing was sure smart- (and just for the record- even just taking the mathematical impossibility, it’s not just a ‘little impossible’ or even highly impossible- it is flat out impossible for even one positive change to happen creating a non-species specific new part without the help of lateral gene transference- and we know that this ONLY occurs extremely rarely and ONLY between the same KINDS of bacteria- never from one non species KIND to another- it can’t happen between dissimilar KINDS because of the protections in place that prevent it- several layers of protections infact- EVEN IF you got past this one impossibility by some supernatural miracle- you still are faced with this one supernatural event happening billions of times- if it’s impossible for it to happen once- then how much more impossible is it to happen billions of times?-

Anyways- even if by some unthinkable supernatural act on the part of nature, occurred billions of times, you are still faced with the other impossibilities- Nothing can’t create everything- especially when there is no blueprint to work from or raw materials or abilities to supersede natural laws in order to change one species KIND into another species KIND


21 posted on 02/12/2015 3:16:04 PM PST by Bob434
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nice rant against Christianity there fella- but no one is ‘clapping their hands over their ears’ nor are they ‘running from science’ There are many organizations out there that present scientific facts showing the impossibilities of evolution- while some like your friend obviously have never taken the time to actually learn the FACTS about evolution, and just take it at face value- there are plenty of Christians who actually investigate the issue and are led to the conclusion that macroevolution is impossible- period-

Have you even bothered to check out Miller’s silly trial argument that ‘irreducible complexity doesn’t need God’ in which the biased judge allowed such insane arguments? Had you done so you would see how silly miller’s agument was, and how much an intelligent designer really IS needed, and how nature MUST have violated it’s own rules in order for irreducible complexity to arise- the only way it could have ‘arisen naturally’ was to do so supernaturally- soemthign the evos claim doesn’t exist-

And as for the ‘creation of amino acids’ that miller and pals did- that too NEEDED an intelligent designer (ie them) in order to keep the left hand acids fro mthe right, in order to keep them in just the right environment, which was IMPOSSIBLE on earth, and in just the right positions in order for the to ‘briefly live’- but even that experiment failed, yet it was and still is touted as a ‘rousing success’ by evos despite the FACT that it needed intelligent designers in order to create it in the first place-

Have you bothered to read up on polonium halos and how they they are ‘instantly created’ and how this scientific mystery has been a thorn I nthe side of evos for several decades now with NO rational explanation as to how nature could have produced them on it’s own? No?

Have you bothered to read up on red-shifts? Or time expansion? No?

Have you bothered to investigate the supposed ‘nearly complete fossil line showing one species evolving from another I nthe sea, then becoming land dwellers’? Had you done so- you would see how DECEITFUL school textbooks have been regarding this ‘evidence’ that the evos claim is their ‘best evidence to date’ for showing evolution- You would also have found out that evos had to eat crow over the claims and retract their claims

Did you bother to investigate the supposed ‘evolution in action right before our eyes’ concerning prokaryotes and eukaryotes supposedly evolving into one another? Had you done so you would have ocne again discovered that you were being LIED to in school textbooks (and again would have discovered evos had to eat crow on this and retract their claims because of their intentional deceit which they thought no one would notice) Turns out euks and prokaryotes were nothing more than two species forming a SYMBIOTIC relationship- Woopsie-

did you bother checking out the FACT that chimps and humans are not infact ‘98% similar’?

On and on it goes- No sir- We aint ‘clapping our hands over our ears’, nor are we running from science not by a long shot- infact we embrace it because it backs up everything we’ve been saying right along-


22 posted on 02/12/2015 3:33:45 PM PST by Bob434
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To: GunRunner

There are probably a few of us on this board who don’t give a rat’s ass what you think.


23 posted on 02/12/2015 7:11:09 PM PST by gettinolder
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To: GunRunner

Excellent post. :)


24 posted on 02/12/2015 7:43:00 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: gettinolder
There are probably a few of us on this board who don’t give a rat’s ass what you think.

Right. Those who don't give a rat's ass probably wouldn't bother to post.

25 posted on 02/12/2015 8:34:01 PM PST by GunRunner
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To: Bob434
[[5 facts about the evolution debate]]

1: It is biologically impossible

2: it is chemically impossible

3: it is mathematically impossible

4: it is physically impossible

5: it is thermodynamically impossible

Like my friend said, a cartoon understanding of evolution (and science).

change one species KIND into another species KIND

I appreciate you capitalizing your creationist catchphrases, but it's not really necessary. When someone uses unscientific terms on a post about evolution, it's abundantly clear. Next up you'll be talking about BARAMINOLOGY.

Your use of the word "kind" just proves my friend correct. You're bound to a literal interpretation of a book written by people in the Bronze Age. Nothing dare violate the inerrancy of "created in God's image."

There are many organizations out there that present scientific facts showing the impossibilities of evolution

Sure there are. Just like there are organizations presenting the scientific facts about 9/11 Truth, UFOs, the fake moon landings, and homeopathy.

Every cargo cult has its own "organizations".

I think the creationist front should first decide whether they are YEC Ken Ham acolytes, or followers of Michael Behe's ID pseudoscience.

Amazing that a lot of anti-evolutionists don't even know there's a difference, as you seem to be credulously mixing the two.

26 posted on 02/12/2015 8:48:01 PM PST by GunRunner
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To: FreedomOfExpression

“In this instance, to whom are you referring?”

I’m referring to the idiots, on both sides.


27 posted on 02/12/2015 9:47:10 PM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: Lake Living
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28 posted on 02/13/2015 9:32:12 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: GunRunner

I noticed- per usual, that you didn’t bother addressing one issue brought up- typical

Care to explain how irreducible complexity can arise without the help of an intelligent designer? Or is it just far easier taking cheap shots without that lack substance at ID?


29 posted on 02/13/2015 8:32:21 PM PST by Bob434
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To: GunRunner

please do enlighten everybody and explain to us all why the following 5 points are ‘cartoon understanding’ of science (and by the way- the mathematical and chemical impossibilities of evolution were decided on by the world’s top evolution scientists at a scientific symposium to discuss the viability of macroevolution- that is not a ‘Christian’ conclusion- although we do agree with it because the evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of macroevolution being impossible, but since you have such a profound understanding of the ‘science of evolution’ I’m sure you can set us all straight by explaining why evolution isn’t impossible regarding those 5 issues-

And I’d like you explanation for why miller’s argument about irreducible complexity arising naturally is true despite his silly argument which only served to prove why an intelligent designer was needed (too bad he wasn’t birght enough to recognize it though)


30 posted on 02/13/2015 8:56:45 PM PST by Bob434
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I don't have to address issues brought up that have no scientific evidence to back them. If I said to you "cotton candy causes earthquakes", you would be under no expectation to respond, as there's no evidence to support that assertion.

And I can appreciate you trying to get me into arguing about the Discovery Institute's flagship marketing gimmick ("Intelligent Design"), but it isn't exactly what my friend was addressing. He was talking about people who believe in a young Earth and that man was created 'as is' several thousand years ago. If you are well versed in Intelligent Design folklore, you'd know that even Michael Behe accepts common descent.

But even though Intelligent Design is less cartoonish than say, Ken Ham's Ctreation Museum (where kids ride toy dinosaurs and call it "science"), it's still just creative writing. There's no peer-reviewed scientific literature on the subject, so even if I wanted to dive into it, there's no place to start. It's like trying to debate UFOlogy and psychics; it doesn't exist as an evidential phenomenon except in the imaginations of its acolytes.

31 posted on 02/14/2015 2:41:19 PM PST by GunRunner
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To: Bob434

Just out of curiosity, was it the Wistar symposium you were referring to?


32 posted on 02/14/2015 2:58:33 PM PST by GunRunner
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To: Bob434

Also, would be fascinating to hear what red shift and time dilation have to do with evolution. This should be good!


33 posted on 02/14/2015 7:57:05 PM PST by GunRunner
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