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Milford man dies in Saudi Arabia, family believe texts point to murder
Union Leader ^ | 22 Jan 2015 | Paul Feely

Posted on 01/29/2015 7:16:52 PM PST by BlackVeil

... Arsenault and others refuse to believe Cramer, 50, who was found dead in Tabuk, Saudi Arabia on Jan. 15, committed suicide by leaping off the third-floor balcony of his hotel — as family members were originally told by representative of his employer, Kollsman Inc., of Merrimack, and its parent company, Elbit Systems of America.

Family members suspect foul play after receiving suspicious text messages from Cramer just minutes before his death. ...

(Excerpt) Read more at unionleader.com ...


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KEYWORDS: elbitsystems; merrimack; milford; mudersuicide; murder; saudiarabia; suicide; tabuk
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It is very much worth reading the full story. Chris Cramer was in Saudi Arabia, working Kollsman Inc., who manufacture sensor equipment with military capabilities. It is stated that Cramer was in Tarbuk to assist the Saudis using thermal optical devices which can be installed as part of missile systems. On Jan 15 he tried to call friends, and sent sms messages asking for help, and saying that the State Dept should be informed, because he was being threatened. Then he was found dead - fell out a window.
1 posted on 01/29/2015 7:16:52 PM PST by BlackVeil
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To: BlackVeil

Can you post the story here. Many of us will be getting browser blocked message. Idiots.


2 posted on 01/29/2015 7:20:23 PM PST by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: George from New England

Is this a better link? Story on FoxNews site.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/01/28/mystery-surrounds-death-us-def-contract-worker-at-saudi-hotel/


3 posted on 01/29/2015 7:23:16 PM PST by BlackVeil ('The past is never dead. It's not even past.' William Faulkner)
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To: SunkenCiv

News ping. A very sinister story, arms trade, Saudi Arabia and an American killed.

To me, this event could be linked to the attack on a hotel in Tripoli, Libya, this week in which a number of “foreigners” were killed.


4 posted on 01/29/2015 7:25:45 PM PST by BlackVeil ('The past is never dead. It's not even past.' William Faulkner)
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To: BlackVeil

Suspicious in the highest extreme.

Maybe he did an installation in a place so sensitive they wanted him to DIE with some secret...?

SUPER SUPER WEIRD.


5 posted on 01/29/2015 7:31:06 PM PST by gaijin
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Yes, it could be that he was killed simply to keep everything secret. There are, however, indications that he was threatened:

From his sms message: “I am at the Marakim tabuk hotel in saudi. I think something bad is going to happen to me tonight. Please contact State Dept asap. Bad things were said.”


6 posted on 01/29/2015 7:38:46 PM PST by BlackVeil ('The past is never dead. It's not even past.' William Faulkner)
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To: BlackVeil; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; ...
Swim the scorpion across the river and...

The biggest killer of mankind

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you must threaten to report me to the Mods if I don't add you to the list...

7 posted on 01/29/2015 7:46:09 PM PST by null and void (The aggregate effect of competitive capitalism is indistinguishable from magic)
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To: gaijin; caww

Not really, the new kid in charge is Salman’s son, who is turning out to be worse than a lot of us expected.


8 posted on 01/29/2015 7:56:58 PM PST by txhurl (RINOs: conservatives aren't electable yet they disguise themselves as conservatives to win.)
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To: null and void

Many thanks for pinging the list.

This surely is a news story which needs to be talked about and pondered.

On the fact of it, the State Dept seems passive and useless, while an American citizen has died in very dark circumstances.


9 posted on 01/29/2015 8:06:31 PM PST by BlackVeil ('The past is never dead. It's not even past.' William Faulkner)
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To: BlackVeil
committed suicide by leaping off the third-floor balcony of his hotel

Me no thinkee so.

10 posted on 01/29/2015 8:25:13 PM PST by 9thLife ("Life is a military endeavor..." -- Pope Francis)
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To: 9thLife; gaijin

Me too no thinkee so.

Gaijin has it right:

SUPER SUPER WEIRD.


11 posted on 01/29/2015 8:26:51 PM PST by BlackVeil ('The past is never dead. It's not even past.' William Faulkner)
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To: null and void

“You knew what I was when we started....”


12 posted on 01/29/2015 9:12:35 PM PST by Nifster
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To: BlackVeil; All


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13 posted on 01/29/2015 9:22:54 PM PST by Nifster
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To: txhurl; All

What has he been doing that is a lot worse than expected? I do seem to recall seeing his picture at another FR post with very cold eyes.


14 posted on 01/29/2015 10:56:32 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: BlackVeil

This does seem very suspicious.


15 posted on 01/30/2015 5:38:33 AM PST by XHogPilot
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To: gleeaikin; txhurl

Nothing. There was some media agitprop that he was about to jack everyone on the price of crude, but Saudi Arabia won’t do that, economically they can’t, they’d get hung out to dry by their cartel ‘allies’. And since the cratering has been serious and going on for most of a year, the time on the clothesline would be very long.


16 posted on 01/30/2015 6:44:17 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: BlackVeil; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Probably just run of the mill muzzie bigots murdering someone who works for an Israel-connected company.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/elbit-systems-of-americas-subsidiary-kollsman-awarded-336-million-initial-orders-for-long-range-thermal-imagers-for-the-usmc-55475737.html

> Elbit Systems Ltd, (NASDAQ: ESLT) reported that its U.S. subsidiary Kollsman, Inc., was awarded initial orders in the amount of $33.6 million to provide high-performance Thermal Binocular System Long Range Thermal Imagers (LRTI) for the U.S. Marine Corps. The LRTI is a portable binocular, hand-held, battery-operated thermal imager for long-range observation and reconnaissance. Initial deliveries will be made in 2006 and 2007. The majority of the work under the contract will be performed by Kollsman in Merrimack, New Hampshire, with support being provided by Elbit Systems Electro-Optics Elop Ltd., a wholly owned Israeli subsidiary of Elbit Systems Ltd.


17 posted on 01/30/2015 6:50:43 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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"a copy of a text message that Cramer sent to a friend, Shad Smith. It reads: “I think something bad is going to happen to me tonight. Please contact state dept. ASAP. Bad things were said in Room 315.”

"...we will not comment further. For questions regarding the investigation, we refer you to the Tabuk Police Department.”

Expecting American justice from this inept, juvenile, evil, immature, Communist, Marxist, Muslim boot licking State Department is pointless. The US has been infiltrated by the Enemy. Our nation is in the hands of the wicked.

18 posted on 01/30/2015 6:55:39 AM PST by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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Or he wrote the SMS to make it look like NOT suicide... life insurance for the family?


19 posted on 01/30/2015 8:02:12 AM PST by Moltke ("The Press, Watson, is a most valuable institution if you only know how to use it.")
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To: BlackVeil

A third floor isn’t high enough to get the job done 100% of the time. Combine that with his text and it was a definite murder. Those cops were paid off.


20 posted on 01/30/2015 8:03:29 AM PST by bgill (CDC site, "we still do not know exactly how people are infected with Ebola")
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