Toddler accidentally shoots Hayden Walmart shopper (Killed his mother)

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[leapfrog0202]

What a shame. Surely the gun must have had a safety that wasn’t on? I feel terrible for that child. He or she will grow up knowing they killed their mother even though they were just a toddler & didn’t know what they were doing. Heavy load for anyone.

[Secret Agent Man]

yup.

[Secret Agent Man]

you are making a baseless assumption that the gun was in a holster in the purse.

[DesertRhino]

Yes, and a purse snatcher hits, and you lost your gun. Its a convenient temptation, but not the best carry option.

[Secret Agent Man]

If someone gets your purse before you can react, or gets it away from you, there goes the gun.

[PapaBear3625]

Glock, probably. I usually stay at Condition 3, not 4, with a Glock. Only takes a quick rack to make it Condition 4.

You mean Condition 0, not 4.

Pistol conditions:

Condition 4: Chamber empty, empty magazine, hammer down.
Condition 3: Chamber empty, full magazine in place, hammer down.
Condition 2: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer down.
Condition 1: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety on.
Condition 0: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety off.

Since a clock has no external safety, chambering a round brings it from condition 3 to 0.

[Secret Agent Man]

If someone gets your purse before you can react, or gets it away from you, there goes the gun.

[EEGator]

Glocks don’t have safeties.

[Responsibility2nd]

you don’t leave a loaded firearm near a 2 year old.....

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Totally agree. The woman probably thought whe was being safe in protecting her kids against any harm that might come.

Fortunately - the kid didn’t shoot himself, the other children in his family or a stranger. Just his mother.

Sad that anyone was shot, but if someone had to be shot - she was the natural choice.

[Springfield Reformer]

Me too. Same reason.

[MrB]

If not, she might as well have said “Johnny, get my gun out of my purse”.

[Secret Agent Man]

Is there like a condition 1.5 where you’ve got everything in Condition 2 but hammer is down and safety is on.

[PapaBear3625]

“clock” should have been “Glock”

[Buckeye McFrog]

Very sad, but totally avoidable.

Yup. The Second Amendment comes with an unspoken rider that you have to use your brain.

[Secret Agent Man]

Regardless, if a child can get to a gun inside a purse and fire it, it wasn’t secured.

[JenB]

If someone gets your purse before you can react, or gets it away from you, there goes the gun.

Very true. Am aware of that, which is why I cross-carry my purse and its strap is reinforced with piano wire by the makers. Other constraints mean that 95% of the time, it's purse carry or no carry for me and a purse gun is better than no gun at all.

[TaMoDee]

A Kahr PM45 has no safety. Intended for CC quick reaction.
One shot from a .45 and you are usually toast.

[DJ Taylor]

"Yes, don’t keep a round chambered"

As it happens, immediately following three of the several Glock accidental discharges I've observed, the shooter said, "But..but...but, I never keep a round in the chamber."

[PapaBear3625]

Is there like a condition 1.5 where you’ve got everything in Condition 2 but hammer is down and safety is on.

Jeff Cooper's "conditions" were primarily meant to apply to 1911-style pistols. In a 1911, if the hammer is down, the pistol won't fire, so there is no need for the safety to be on.

I guess you could keep a 1911 in "1.5", so that one would have to flip the safety AND cock the hammer, to increase child safety, but in that case you should go with condition 3, since racking the slide would be faster than flipping safety plus cocking hammer, plus racking the slide requires more strength than a 2 year old has.

[Cobra64]

Aside from striker fired handguns, some semi-automatics like Sig Sauer and Heckler & Koch have a double action/single action trigger system.

SIG P226

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U32Hqp9QEjo