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1 posted on 12/04/2014 7:40:18 AM PST by Theoria
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Paging Al Gore...well..maybe not!

2 posted on 12/04/2014 7:48:18 AM PST by skinkinthegrass ("Bathhouse" E'Bola/0'Boehmer/0'McConnell; all STINK and their best friends are flies. d8^)
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One salient point from this article - calculate the time cost for the green technology as well. You can plow a field with a tractor or horses. The horses will take longer and require a whole lot more time in daily “maintenance”.


3 posted on 12/04/2014 7:50:12 AM PST by taxcontrol
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As an engineering achievement, it’s very impressive in many ways. However, as a home for a couple who were over 70 when they moved in, it’s just plain nuts.


4 posted on 12/04/2014 7:50:50 AM PST by Tax-chick (R.I.P., Dad, 11/25/14. Thanks for the lawyers, guns, and money.)
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‘[Instead,]During the coldest months, they’d supplement the system with propane water and air heaters.
“If we did that, and had the same kind of heavy insulation and tight construction we do now,” Mr. Brattstrom said, “our house would be easy to run and cost next to nothing.” ‘

LOL!
Just what I do.


5 posted on 12/04/2014 7:52:43 AM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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So they went and built a very expensive home. But its OK. Its energy efficient.

So in 30 years, they will break even and begin to see a return on the expenses.

Ooops. I see they are in the 70’s.

Never mind.


6 posted on 12/04/2014 7:54:24 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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My wife and I (Mrs Dad) are wroking on our last addition to our FL home for solar. Not because I give a crap about the "environment" but because I'm sick of paying for Duke energy to rip me off.

We added a solar assisted cooling/heating unit and a solar hot water heater (back up uses heating elements but they've been turned off since the install in Aug) and within the next week or two expect to finish the roof mounted 5kW PV system. Some people go nuts, especially after listening to AlBore. I had a friend who watched his "movie" and decided to sell his small PU truck to buy a prius (I guess since he stopped talking to me shortly after that). I sent him a series of e-mails disputing the movie and then asked him how his selling his truck was going to save the planet? If you don't drive it someone else will and it'll still kill the planet if that is your belief. Sorry to have lost a friend but I guess it wasn't such a deep friendship. ;-)

7 posted on 12/04/2014 7:59:07 AM PST by Dad was my hero
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I am puzzled why the roof was not designed to have a steep pitch so that it would more readily shed snow. With solar power running things, am surprised that some safer system for snow removal was not put in place other than a wooden (slippery) walkway far off the ground. If I was 20 years old I would not want to go up there to clear snow.


8 posted on 12/04/2014 8:11:58 AM PST by Nepeta
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I think I see the problem

But he really got going after reading Al Gore’s 1992 book, “The Earth in Balance: Ecology and the Human Spirit.”

Don't do stuff because an idiot with no science or engineering background tells you to.

9 posted on 12/04/2014 8:28:30 AM PST by KosmicKitty (Liberals claim to want to hear other views, but then are shocked to discover there are other views)
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“I was an idiot and built a house that was way too complicated and labor-intensive,”

Yep.


12 posted on 12/04/2014 8:48:53 AM PST by vladimir998
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The problem with being an early adopter, he has discovered, is that simpler, less costly technologies emerge over time, and the choices you made in the beginning, which seemed sensible at the time, begin to feel ill-advised.

Wait - do you mean that free market capitalism has brought us more efficient means of producing power for lower cost and less labor. I thought such things could only be achieved via government fiat!
15 posted on 12/04/2014 9:41:16 AM PST by slumber1 (Islam delenda est)
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The guy has longer hair then his wife.


16 posted on 12/04/2014 9:41:38 AM PST by minnesota_bound
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Mostly air tight construction, above code levels of insulation, and paying attention to passive solar heating and cooling will more than half your utility bills with very little, if any, added construction costs to new buildings. The Greeks knew about passive solar thousands of years ago, the sun is still doing today what it did back then.

There are plans for passive thermo-siphon solar heaters that cost no more than a quality double hung window. They produce heat (up to 165 degrees) in the winter, and are shaded in summer. All air, no water to pump or leak.

This guy built a McMansion, and while his elect bill is low, maintenance and TAXES are out of sight for a retirement home.


18 posted on 12/04/2014 10:28:48 AM PST by wrench (Ebola is not a threat to the US. 0bama says so, and he would never lie..........)
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Interesting story, warrants a nighttime bump...


23 posted on 12/04/2014 4:45:08 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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Exhausted By a House That Saves Energy

I have been waiting 30-40 years for articles like this one. The title is perfect!
Brief background. I was an engineer for 46 years and active in the community. I served on many boards and commissions which accomplished real improvements over those 45 years.

The least productive was a 15-year stint it what was grandiosely named the "Energy Task Force" in the early 70s, dedicated to the promise of abundant, cheap, no-maintenance energy. There ain't no such thing. Never was and never will be.
Consider that the initial costs have decreased by several orders of magnitude, and it is still too expensive for the average family to contemplate, 45 years later!

This topic always brings to mind two examples of "public displays of imbecility: "
Solar panels on the White House, and the ICC (Ick) Building at Georgetown University.

24 posted on 12/04/2014 5:20:25 PM PST by publius911 (Formerly Publius6961)
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