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Maybe it wasn't the Higgs particle after all
Phys dot org ^ | November 07, 2014 | blogger

Posted on 11/09/2014 4:21:25 PM PST by SunkenCiv

Last year CERN announced the finding of a new elementary particle, the Higgs particle. But maybe it wasn't the Higgs particle, maybe it just looks like it. And maybe it is not alone.

Many calculations indicate that the particle discovered last year in the CERN particle accelerator was indeed the famous Higgs particle. Physicists agree that the CERN experiments did find a new particle that had never been seen before, but according to an international research team, there is no conclusive evidence that the particle was indeed the Higgs particle...

"The CERN data is generally taken as evidence that the particle is the Higgs particle. It is true that the Higgs particle can explain the data but there can be other explanations, we would also get this data from other particles", Mads Toudal Frandsen explains. The researchers' analysis does not debunk the possibility that CERN has discovered the Higgs particle. That is still possible - but it is equally possible that it is a different kind of particle.

"The current data is not precise enough to determine exactly what the particle is. It could be a number of other known particles", says Mads Toudal Frandsen. But if it wasn't the Higgs particle, that was found in CERN's particle accelerator, then what was it?

"We believe that it may be a so-called techni-higgs particle. This particle is in some ways similar to the Higgs particle - hence half of the name", says Mads Toudal Frandsen.

Although the techni-higgs particle and Higgs particle can easily be confused in experiments, they are two very different particles belonging to two very different theories of how the universe was created.

(Excerpt) Read more at phys.org ...


TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: cern; higgsboson; neutrinodeficiency; stringtheory; technihiggs
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Associate Professor Mads Toudal Frandsen, University of Southern Denmark Credit: University of Southern Denmark

Associate Professor Mads Toudal Frandsen, University of Southern Denmark Credit: University of Southern Denmark

1 posted on 11/09/2014 4:21:25 PM PST by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 11/09/2014 4:22:04 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Celebrate the Polls, Ignore the Trolls)
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To: SunkenCiv

How embarrassing.


3 posted on 11/09/2014 4:22:49 PM PST by Steely Tom (Thank you for self-censoring.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Bozo(n)s


4 posted on 11/09/2014 4:24:06 PM PST by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Techni-Higgs and not Techno-Higgs?


5 posted on 11/09/2014 4:30:21 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Steely Tom
Notice the close similarity of the Higgs Boson on the left and the Techni-Higgs Boson on the right.

Easy to see how one could be confused...

6 posted on 11/09/2014 4:32:23 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Please add me to the string theory list and any similar lists you might have.


7 posted on 11/09/2014 4:33:59 PM PST by verga (You anger Catholics by telling them a lie, you anger protestants by telling them the truth.)
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To: tet68

kinda like Reese’s Crunchy peanut butter cups ?

The same as regular Reese’s, but different.


8 posted on 11/09/2014 4:38:48 PM PST by Zeneta (Thoughts in time and out of season.)
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To: SunkenCiv

wouldn’t it be something if just like the universe is infinitely large, it is also infinitely small ?


9 posted on 11/09/2014 4:40:44 PM PST by oldbrowser (We have a rogue government in Washington)
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To: SunkenCiv

Or maybe not...


10 posted on 11/09/2014 4:41:16 PM PST by Beowulf9
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To: oldbrowser

Great, now I want to watch Animal House again.


11 posted on 11/09/2014 4:43:35 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Celebrate the Polls, Ignore the Trolls)
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To: Steely Tom

It’s like getting pantsed. :’)


12 posted on 11/09/2014 4:44:22 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Celebrate the Polls, Ignore the Trolls)
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To: Steely Tom

“How embarrassing.”

Actually, since mass media and the possibility to become famous in science essentially overnight, lots of bad science has been reported as a ‘breakthrough’, and too many things have been reported without rigorous testing and vetting.

I’m actually sickened by where science currently is.


13 posted on 11/09/2014 4:51:07 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: tet68

Which explanation best accounts for the random disappearance of socks from the laundry ;?


14 posted on 11/09/2014 5:02:27 PM PST by mikrofon (F(z,x) BUMP)
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To: SunkenCiv

Remember, Higgs was touted as the ‘God’ particle, the holy grail of the political-science left. Because if God was just a particle, then man could claim dominance.

Like global warming and peak oil and a hundred other liberal-utopian dreams of science, this one appears to have been another PR over reach.

Don’t worry, they’ll have another soon enough.


15 posted on 11/09/2014 5:09:13 PM PST by IncPen (None of this would be happening if John Boehner were alive...)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

The science is settled! Stop the discussion. (Sarc)


16 posted on 11/09/2014 5:11:41 PM PST by yeetch! (These are the good old days!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Actually, it was determined that the particle was fly poop on the computer screen. Scientists cannot determine the exact type of fly without DNA testing and a further 10 billion dollars in additional grants.


17 posted on 11/09/2014 5:39:54 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (Put lipstick on a Communist and call it a Progressive, but it's still a Communist with lipstick.)
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To: SunkenCiv

If there was a known similar particle (this “tehcni-Higgs” particle) why wasn’t that ruled out before publication of any findings?


18 posted on 11/09/2014 5:54:47 PM PST by bajabaja (Too ugly to be scanned at the airports.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Oh, great. One step forward. Two steps backward.


19 posted on 11/09/2014 5:56:26 PM PST by InterceptPoint (Remember Mississippi)
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To: left that other site

I think Higgs served in the navy.


20 posted on 11/09/2014 6:11:27 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Celebrate the Polls, Ignore the Trolls)
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