Posted on 10/14/2014 9:15:46 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather
CNN Chief Medical Correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta reported on further allegations made by a nurses union that Dallas Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan was not put into isolation, allowed his blood to circulate through the hospital’s tube system, and that waste “piled up nearly to the ceiling” inside patient’s rooms on Tuesday’s “CNN Tonight.”
Gupta said that the National Nurses United stated that they were informed by nurses that “Mr. Duncan was not in isolation. He was not in isolation for several hours, despite the fact that a nursing supervisor asked that he go into isolation, and that he may have come in contact with seven patients at that time.”
The also claimed, “the blood, the laboratory blood that was taken from Mr. Duncan was sent through the hospital tube system…and the concern is that tube system could potentially become contaminated as a result of the fact that this blood with Ebola was circulating through it.”
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Some medical professionals have been advocating separate, state-level Ebola facilities for some time—saying that regular facilities wouldn’t be able to stop contamination within.
I was thinking about the hair issue....as a male, if we have an ebola outbreak....I’ll shave my head short and wear head caps. I saw pictures of the European nurses and cdc folks wearing head to toe coverings.
Trained people who are really skilled at cleaning the room know how to avoid infection and keep things clean and sanitary. It's the marginal staff...the part-timers who can't afford to take a day off from work, maybe aren't all that bright or dedicated, who don't have a bond to the professional staff that are a problem.
This was my observation from being quarantined with the symptoms of swine flu (not swine flu) five years ago. It was when those top-tier professionals weren't on duty, not many protocols were strictly followed. And nobody can work 24/7. I wonder if there are enough well-trained and truly qualified top-tier employees to manage a hospital under constant threat of Ebola and all the other diseases that could get out of control.
“Why did the hospital not follow CDC guidelines?”
Normalicy bias. Couldn’t have been Ebola. Even if it was Ebola it couldn’t possibly be Ebola.
I tend to agree. Nurse unions are second to teachers in difficulty and bitching about everything.
Getting the nurses to accept any change in work rules is a major deal.
Individually nurses are wonderful. As a group...they are terrifying.
Folks around here need to do some reading on the disease.
There was a story in Preston’s book about a room so ravaged by the spraying feces and vomit that the sisters at the hospital just closed down the room. And didnt use it again for a long, long time.
So, waste from floor to ceiling is not unheard of.
LOL! Grim humor....
Haven’t you read that Duncan died begging for a diaper and after days of projectile vomiting and explosive diarrhea
Just like the woman had carried in Liberia and lied about to get on that plane and according to doctor notes from his 2d visit - still lied about at the hospital
Ebola can only be managed in specialized containment units
Regular hospitals just aren’t capable of treating the infected without collateral damage to the staff (now 2 nurses infected)
The CDC should have removed Duncan from Dallas on Day 1 and got him into a secure facility.
The fact they didn’t is evidence of unacceptable incompetence, or a deliberate attempt by the WH to ensure the virus spreads.
Exactly.
This is taken from the Public Health Agency of Canada website (http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/lab-bio/res/psds-ftss/ebola-eng.php):
“INFECTIOUS DOSE: Viral hemorrhagic fevers have an infectious dose of 1 - 10 organisms by aerosol in non-human primates.”
Way too much is not known about this virus to be approaching it like you would any other standard infectious agent.
Totally agree.
If a patient is on a ventilator and there is any sunctioning, that would seem to be a perfect time for fluids with EVD present to become more mobile. Why wouldn’t you want skin and hair covered? Another Freeper mentioned this - Jim Noble, I think.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2792457/Ebola-patient-cared-70-hospital-staffers.html
this claims the nurses were told to wrap surgical tape around the top of their suits and their necks!!!
As if taking off surgical tape wearing gloves, and without getting infected, is error proof
I want to see Frieden demonstrate this
The CDC guidelines are for something less than Level-3 pathogens. The sort of gear you might wear when dealing with a new strain of the flu.
The United States is very unprepared for ebola and the CDC is ruled by an Obama appointed bureaucrat rather than a knowledgeable physician.
Ventilator, intubation, and dialysis are all supposed to be especially high-risk procedures for infection. But even merely caring for an Ebola patient—before counting in violent diarrhea and vomiting—should have been enough to give the nurses far greater protection.
The CDC is still recommending only inadequate procedures, so what difference does the number of experts dispatched on site make?
Agreed.
The CDC has been remiss in their recommendations - I hope it does not cause HCWs their lives.
“If it goes pandemic, or at this rate long before, it will take a military operation to manage this disease.”
What a coincidence, Hagel just came out with a plan for our military to handle “climate change”. I bet we could use the same plans for handling Ebola pandemic.
Aren’t we lucky Ebola Barry had the insight to order the military to prepare plans to handle “climate change” and they can also be used for an Ebola pandemic.
Yea, just a coincidence.
If we’re going to deploy the military to fight ebola, setting up quarantine locations and handling patients, we should do it here to supplement hospitals - not send them to Africa.
And then there’s the whole question of not trusting veterans to the VA if you die before seeing a doctor for mundane things like cancer somehow handling vets with ebola.
Bring Out Your Dead
Post to me or FReep mail to be on/off the Bring Out Your Dead ping list.
The purpose of the “Bring Out Your Dead” ping list (formerly the “Ebola” ping list) is very early warning of emerging pandemics, as such it has a high false positive rate.
So far the false positive rate is 100%.
At some point we may well have a high mortality pandemic, and likely as not the “Bring Out Your Dead” threads will miss the beginning entirely.
*sigh* Such is life, and death...
No kidding!
And just imagine how far a $6 billion dollar budget would go towards anticipating, preventing, and solving these problems!
We need one. Now!
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