[Bayard]

Its false to claim equality in a social good where there natural faculty that makes it possible is absent.

Marriage only applies to Hetero sex because that is naturally fecund.

Butt sex is not Hetero sex. It is not naturally fecund.

[Neoliberalnot]

How wrong is it for a man to have two wives? Compared to a couple of male coprophiles it really seems quite tame.

[hulagirl]

Stating the obvious. However when he says he doesn’t think there will be a slippery slope towards polygamy and the rest of the “minority” would-be family redefinitions, he contradicts himself.

[ansel12]

The Mormon religion is fortunate enough to get timely revelations which reverse God’s previous orders to them.

When God’s order to practice polygamy interefered with Mormon goals, he was kind enough to reverse the order, in 1978, when forbidding blacks to be full Mormons had always been God’s order to them, he reversed himself on it just in time to avoid some hassles for them.

I think in time that we will learn from the Mormons that God has reversed himself yet again, on polygamy.

It’s just a guess, but I would bet money that they reveal the revelation within the next decade or two, or whenever the time is right.

[Salgak]

Control the language, control the culture. . .

[Tennessee Nana]

It the late nineteenth century, after decades of religious persecution and pressure from the U.S. government, Mormons dropped the practice
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No they didn’t Woodruff “married” more young girls years after 1890 when he made the so called proclamation against polygamy..

Mormons just kept on with their polygamy right up to today..

its still in their religious doctrines and literature..

the proclamation by Wilford Woodruff was just BS so that the US government would stop arresting and imprisoning Mormon males for “unlawful habitation” and confiscating their property, and also so that Utah could become a state..

for decades later Wilford Woodruff and other Mormon leaders just kept on “marrying”: more young girls and until 1945 when the last polygamous Mormon “president/prophet” died there was always a polygamous top leader in SLC..

about 1895 years after the proclamation the Utah males elected a known polygamous guy with at least three “wives” to congress but sent him off to Washington..

SEVEN MILLION outraged Christians around the country signed a petition stating that the immoral representative from Utah not be seated in congress..it worked and Utah was forced to beat the bushes for a qualified guy who only had one wife.. difficult to do...

No this one wasn’t a Romney..the Romneys were still busy being polygamists until the 20th Century..

[Amendment10]

As I indicated in a related thread, please consider the following. I suspect that pro-gay activist state lawmakers are working with pro-gay activist justices in the following ploy to deceive Constitution-ignorant citizens. Activist state lawmakers are possibly intending for their anti-gay marriage laws to be used as pawns for justices to ignore, the real goal of both sides of the fence being to shove gay marriage down everybody's throats. (Isn't that the Marxist / Alsinki approach to changing the system?)

The remainder of this thread is previously posted evidence that pro-gay judges and justices are wrongly ignoring 10th Amendment-protected state sovereignty to independently decide gay issues.

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Gay marriage is unconstitutional for the following simple reason imo. The states have never amended the Constitution to specifically protect so-called gay “rights,” such as gay marriage. This means two things under the Constitution.

• The Founding States had made the 10th Amendment to clarify that the Constitution’s silence about things like marriage means that such issues are uniquely state power issues.

• Since the states have never amended the Constitution to expressly protect gay marriage, gay marriage is not a constitutionally protected right.

Also, regardless what the corrupt media wants everybody to think about the Supreme Court's decision concerning DOMA, Section 2 of DOMA is still in effect. Section 2 is reasonably based on Congress's Article IV, Section 1 power, the Full Faith and Credit clause, to regulate the effect of one state's records in the other states, and gives the states the power to ignore gay marriages recognized in other states. But Section 2 is wrongly being ignored by both judges and justices imo.

DOMA Section 2. Powers reserved to the states

No State, territory, or possession of the United States, or Indian tribe, shall be required to give effect to any public act, record, or judicial proceeding of any other State, territory, possession, or tribe respecting a relationship between persons of the same sex that is treated as a marriage under the laws of such other State, territory, possession, or tribe, or a right or claim arising from such relationship.

So the states are free to make 10th Amendment-protected laws which discriminate against constitutionally unprotected gay “rights,” such as gay marriage imo, as long as such laws don’t unreasonably abridge constitutionally enumerated rights.

Again, the troubling question is why are legal professionals who are supposed to be protecting state laws prohibiting gay marriage evidently not arguing the above points in defense of such laws?

[RichInOC]

Bigamy/polygamy and consanguinous marriage among consenting adults will happen. They’re going to get cleared through the courts, using the decisions on same-sex unions as template and precedent. You cannot tell one class of adults they can get married and another not. You just can’t. “It’s icky” is not going to be a defense. “It’s not how marriage has worked through history” is really going to be even less of a defense than with same-sex marriage, because those actually are historical. I suppose there’s a public-health argument, actually a eugenic argument, to be made about incestuous marriage. Good luck finding somebody who wants to make it in a modern American courtroom, let alone listen to it. And it’d be completely irrelevant if, say, a couple of gay siblings wants to tie the knot.

So those laws are gone, as soon as somebody decides to make the case. Somebody will file for the right to multiple marriage. Somebody will file for the right to marry close relatives. God help us, maybe the same somebody. And they’ll win.

[Elsie]

...in essence allowing lower courts to legalize same-sex couples.

The Highest Court has; I'm afraid; already rendered a decision...

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Genesis 13:13

Now the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.

Genesis 18:20-21
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous
21. that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

Genesis 19:4-7
4. Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house.
5. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7. and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.

Psalms 12:8 The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.

Isaiah 3:9 The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.

2 Peter 2:13b Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.

Ezekiel 16:49-50
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

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2 Peter 2

1. But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
3. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
4. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
5. if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
6. if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
7. and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
8. (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
9. if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
10. This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
11. yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
12. But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
13. They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.

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But there IS hope!!!

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

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If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape...
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The Health Risks of gay sex.

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[sauropod]

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[CodeToad]

Sodomy does not make for marriage.
Two people do not make for marriage.
Two homosexuals, therefore, do not make for marriage.