Posted on 08/09/2014 6:34:57 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
WAUKESHA, Wis. —As parents get their children ready to go back to school, getting them vaccinated is probably on the list.
A popular shot for young girls is the HPV vaccine, but a Waukesha mother said her daughter died hours after getting the shot.
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I am aware of no such thing. However, I am aware that sexual activity whether of married or unmarried people has been occurring at fairly high rates since the dawn of time. People invented contraceptives thousands of years ago because of it.
You don’t really sound much like an “ex-dem.”
Conservative, with a streak of libertarianism. Being pragmatic, I look at the facts, not some fantasy of what I want the world to be like, and make judgments based on the evidence. And I do not spend time fretting that someone, somewhere, may be engaged in sexual intercourse. As long as they take steps to prevent disease and pregnancy, it's no business of mine what they do.
I can see why the vaccine opposition is framed that way. Many of the posters on this thread feed right into the "war on women" with their comments that essentially, any woman who gets HPV brings it on herself by her immoral behavior (with the unspoken corollary that she therefore deserves to suffer with it). But they exclude men and boys from those opinions.
It's really hard to counter that "war on women" theme, when supposed conservatives speak up to feed right into it.
Oops, I should have put one more comment in the previous reply.
The CDC now recommends HPV vaccine for boys. That would be Gardasil, since Cervarix is only approved for use in girls.
I worked with a gynecologist who routinely was butting heads with the vaccine clinics, because she kept writing prescriptions for boys to get the HPV vaccine, and the vaccine clinics did not want to administer those vaccines to boys since they weren’t on the CDC schedule.
Really? I think the number of 40 year old virgins is so low as to be statistically insignificant. According to this Psychology Today blog article, only 5% of men and 2% of women are still virgins at age 25. And when they are still virgins, it's either because they are homosexual, or because they are so socially awkward that they cannot establish a relationship with members of the opposite sex. According to the blog, their continued virginity is not a source of pride, but of overwhelming shame.
This is a good place to stick in my personal opinion, based in years of observation without any statistical analysis, that most homosexuality is not based on same-sex attraction, but on deep-seated fear and discomfort about intimacy with the opposite sex.
Vaccines are a good thing. They can have side effects. As a poster mentioned Guillan-Barre is one ( usually associated with variants of swine flu vaccines) HPV vaccines should be a parent’s choice for their child after thought and discussion. Children, even teenagers are the responsibility of parents not the government.
According to a recent study, the only vaccine ever found to be associated with "a small but significant increase" in GB was the 1976 swine flu vaccine. My scientific opinion is that the association was a statistical aberration, because a certain percentage of statistical relationships (usually 5%, it depends on the significance cut-off, or P-value, used) are not real and only appear because of a coincidental data set.
As far as I can tell, the opposition to HPV vaccination is a poisonous mixture of the usual anti-vax tropes, mixed with moral indignation (aimed only at girls) that they will become sexually active at some point. And I see that as something that needs to be combated, not supported. Lives are at stake here.
Really? Then why do I feel so horrible when my temperature spikes up to 99? (It's normally in the 96-97 range.)
Once again, let me reiterate, the HPV vaccine is most effective when administered to virgins. The assumption made by those who devised the vaccine schedule is that 12 year olds are virgins. If they are not virgins at that age, then the vaccine needs to be administered earlier, while they still *are* virgins.
The side effects of the vaccine are well known--injection site pain and swelling, and sometimes headaches, all self-limiting. Beyond that, all I see is the usual anti-vax fear-mongering, much of which consists of drastically overstating the significance of the stock vaccine side-effects list. These side effects are trivial when compared to the effects of dysplasia or cancer.
The fact is, contrary to anti-vax fear-monger claims, that vaccines undergo at least a decade of rigorous testing in thousands of subjects before the FDA will even consider approving them for market. And even after approval, the FDA requires companies to continue to collect safety and efficacy data (i.e. phase 4 trials). The FDA has no compunctions about pulling products over safety concerns even after they have been marketed (ever hear of Vioxx?).
The misogyny enters the picture because apparently, some people are obsessed with the fact that girls might one day lose their virginity--but they state no similar concern over boys--they don't even mention boys. Often, what remains unsaid is at least as important as what is said.
1) All of the patients had abnormally low serum levels of vitamin C. Supplementing patients with nutrients that are pathologically low is not the same as loading them with abnormally high levels of those nutrients. There is a lot of precedent for replacing lost nutrients--usually, it consists of hydration with electrolyte replacement. Sometimes, this is coupled with symptomatic treatment.
2) As a reviewer of this study, I would express concern that the vitamin C replacement study pushed the serum concentration of ascorbate more than ten-fold higher than normal serum concentrations. 3) There is no reason to think that vitamin C has pharmaceutical activity beyond its role as an enzyme co-factor and its electron donor activity. If it does, in fact, have actual pharmaceutical activity, then mega-dosing on it is even more problematic than I have already discussed.
Keep in mind that the purpose of pharmaceutical agents is to disrupt metabolic pathways and processes. While there may be a valid reason to disrupt these activities when they enter a pathological state, there is absolutely no reason to interfere with them when they are functioning normally.
I seriously do not understand the desire to load up one's body with foreign chemicals (even when trace amounts of the chemicals are necessary for normal function). You delude yourself by thinking that since the chemical is "natural", it somehow cannot have adverse effects. Your body is meant to function within specific parameters, and your best bet to keep it functioning optimally is to eat a good balanced diet. Unless there is a specific medical reason to do otherwise, don't load your body up with abnormal levels of micronutrients, and don't abuse it with drugs.
Background
Parenterally administered ascorbic acid modulates sepsis-induced inflammation and coagulation in experimental animal models. The objective of this randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled, phase I trial was to determine the safety of intravenously infused ascorbic acid in patients with severe sepsis.
Safety of intravenous ascorbic acid
Safety of ascorbic acid infusion in critically ill patients was a primary endpoint for this Phase I safety trial. During the 96-hour infusion period, no patients were withdrawn due to study-related adverse events (i.e., hypotension, tachycardia, hypernatremia, or nausea/vomiting).
The results from this small phase I safety trial suggest that administering ascorbic acid in pharmacological dosages to critically ill patients with sepsis is safe and that it may provide adjunctive therapy in the treatment of severe sepsis.
Results
... Ascorbic acid infusion rapidly and significantly increased plasma ascorbic acid levels. No adverse safety events were observed in ascorbic acid-infused patients. Patients receiving ascorbic acid exhibited prompt reductions in Sequential Organ Failure Assessment scores while placebo patients exhibited no such reduction. Ascorbic acid significantly reduced the proinflammatory biomarkers C-reactive protein and procalcitonin. Unlike placebo patients, thrombomodulin in ascorbic acid infused patients exhibited no significant rise, suggesting attenuation of vascular endothelial injury.
Conclusions
Intravenous ascorbic acid infusion was safe and well tolerated in this study and may positively impact the extent of multiple organ failure and biomarkers of inflammation and endothelial injury.
Why in the end you will lose
pharmaceutical companies can make no money competing with Vitamin C at $13 PER POUND.
the best part is in spite of the opposition of folks like you mega-dose Intravenous Vitamin C therapy is being successfully used to treat sepsis and Multiple Organ Failure just like that exhibited in hemorrhagic fevers like Ebola.
There are plenty of other STDS both boys and girls can catch that an abortion won’t cure and encouraging kids to sexually experiment (which is what the sex positive agenda which has raged for 45 years does) is not productive.
Planned Parenthood and their sex ed wing SIECUS are decidedly anti-abstinence not because “it doesn’t work”. They oppose it (regardless of why they SAY just as they don’t give a DAMN about why people turn gay) because they believe orgasm is a birthright to be enjoyed at every age by everyone and abstinence is a denial of sexual urges.
Now teens under 18 are being encouraged to experiment with sex toys (which can legally only be sold to adults), porn (which can legally only be obtained by adults), and sadomasochistic abusive relationships.
Much better when hygiene, body changes, and reproduction were the focus.
Yes really. Just because you feel awful does not mean that you are considered febrile. A temperature under 100.1 is not considered a fever.
Think about how awful you can feel with a common cold and be afebrile.
My husband and I were both virgins when we married in our mid twenties, we were not socially awkward or homosexual. To suggest such a thing to people who live according to their values is truly insulting. There really are people who wait to have sex until they are married, why not congratulate them instead of labeling them as somehow deviant.
As a scientist I’m sure you realize that personal observation without statistical analysis is meaningless.
Tell me do you think that HPV vaccine should be mandated by the government?
Except, and this is typically overlooked, HPV is entirely a byproduct of LIFESTYLE. HPV is not polio, chicken pox, mumps, measles, the flu, etc. that are easily communicable through everyday activities.
Should SOME young people be given Gardasil or Cervarix? Unfortunately, yes. Should ALL be given it? NO.
The fact is, contrary to anti-vax fear-monger claims, that vaccines undergo at least a decade of rigorous testing in thousands of subjects before the FDA will even consider approving them for market
Yet, the clinical testing of Gardasil began in 2002 and it was approved by the FDA in June, 2006, which is hardly a decade.
One thing that WAS NOT studied, because it COULD NOT be studied in four years was what the long-term effects would be on the reproductive system. NOBODY can say that a girl who is given this vaccine at the age of nine will be able to conceive when she gets married and tries to have children twenty years later.
The misogyny enters the picture because apparently, some people are obsessed with the fact that girls might one day lose their virginity
NOBODY is questioning that. What I and others do question is that this vaccine gives young girls the message that it is okay for them to lose their virginity whenever they want. This is the same message that Planned Parenthood and the rest of the left is pushing.
Another problem is the false sense of security that the HPV vaccine brings. Teenagers and young adults are often not very astute when it comes to discerning risk and this will just give them another false sense of security. Don't believe me? Consider this, young women are told every time they are prescribed the Pill that it doesn't protect against STDs, but they still get STDs. There is no reason to think this vaccine will be different; actually, the very fact that it's a vaccine could make it worse.
but they state no similar concern over boys--they don't even mention boys.
That's because the left doesn't really care about boys at all. Men are to be sperm donors when and if wanted, nothing more.
“why not congratulate them instead of labeling them as somehow deviant”
I have a daughter in college who refuses to get the HPV vaccine. She also choses to wait. We have spoken in depth about it since her teen years. She has seen friends hurt by the love em and leave em type. And she knows I have regrets for not waiting.
Congratulations to you and your spouse on the ultimate gift that you protected and cherished. Nothing deviant...just pure beauty. God bless you.
Excellent post, wagglebee.
Thx and congratulations to you and your daughter for making a choice that will make her a happy and healthy adult. She is an excellent example for other youth.
The pressure to behave immorally is great. Often, people who promote sexual promiscuity and encourage others to engage as well are doing so to justify their own behaviors.
Yes, really. Ask any pediatrician what "febrile" is. It isn't 99.
The fact is, contrary to anti-vax fear-monger claims, that vaccines undergo at least a decade of rigorous testing in thousands of subjects before the FDA will even consider approving them for market
LOL. The fact is, you apparently know nothing of the history of this vaccine and the FDA. But please, keep spouting off about misogyny and whatever else fills your head. And keep that "Sex Card" at the ready, you never know when you might have to throw it out there and COMPLETELY IGNORE anything whatsoever that's contrary to your predetermined misguided opinion. "ExDem", LOL
You wrote: "when they are still virgins, it's either because they are homosexual, or because they are so socially awkward that they cannot establish a relationship with members of the opposite sex."
You're entirely wrong. People who wait for marriage are the type who have self-confidence, self-respect, and respect for others. They know they are attractive and a "good catch," and they have common sense. Or, they may be committed to living a life in accordance with their faith. That's why they do not feel the need to sleep with each other outside marriage.
On the other hand, people who sleep around outside marriage do so because either (1) they have insecurities or (2) they don't respect other people or (3) they lack self-control or (4) they're lonely and desperate or (5) they simply make a mistake.
Sure, there are exceptions to every rule. But social awkwardness never stopped anyone. That's pure myth. A man who's socially awkward can simply pay for the service, if he wants to. And a woman who's socially awkward will have no trouble finding plenty of men willing to use her.
Bring that up to the people who did the research, not me. I only reported the study results.
I'm so glad for you that you are so pure that you have never had to suffer the indignity of a PAP test to detect HPV caused disease. Let me tell you, those things are so horribly degrading, being touched like that by someone you barely know and all. And then, having the test come up positive and end up having to have very painful confirmatory tests and then surgery to remove the cancer before it starts to spread...and then extra frequent PAP tests for the next three years... Nevermind, I'm sure you think that I clearly deserved the entire traumatic experience, since obviously no moral woman would ever get that kind of disease.
FYI, most women diagnosed with HPV related cancer or pre-cancerous conditions are in their 40s, married, with children. And since about 75% of all people acquire HPV sometime in their lives--don't be so sure you've never been exposed or never will be exposed.
I have had four children without drugs so yes, I am familiar with pain and being touched by people I barely know.
You brought up the research as a part of our discussion so I responded. Incidentally, I am sure you are aware that self reported surveys such as the one cited in Psychology today are statistically unreliable.
I am human and have made mistakes in my life. Having sex outside of marriage was not one of them. People do not “deserve” to have disease, however sometimes it is the consequence of choices we have made. If more people made the choice to wait until marriage for sex the world would have far fewer problems than it does.
I am always grateful for my good health, nor do I take it for granted. Given the strength of my marriage HPV is not something I am worried about. I wish good health for you and given your desire to inform people of the benefits of vaccines I assume you wish good health for others as well.
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