Violent Dog Attack Caught on Camera (Video, Dogs of Peace)

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=pit+bull+attack&ei=UTF-8&fr=chr-greentree_ff&ilc=12&type=219247 ^ | August 6, 2014 | yahoo.com

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Video at link begins with video of the pit bull being loving towards it's owners as the newscaster relates that the owners say this dog is the friendliest dog you are likely to meet. This footage appears to have been taken some time after the attack. The next footage shows a private dashcam view of an earlier incident when the pit bull (he "got out") was attacking a leashed german shepherd. The pit bull's owner tries to stop the attack and the pit bull pounces on him, high in the torso, knocking him down hard on the pavement. The german shepherd survived but ran away and hasn't been found.

[Arthur McGowan]

I thought bear-baiting involved a pit.

Anyway, they are wild animals, and should be banned. If people can’t stomach euthanizing them all, then breeding them should be banned, and owning them could become illegal in, say ten years, time enough for them to die out.

[Finny]

Better candidate for Nanny Dog -- mastiff breeds, in particular by name the Newfoundland, though many of the huge, dignified, loyal masiffs would be candidates for actual Nanny Dogs. If you've ever spent time around one, you immediately see why if any ancient, established breed had title to the loose term "nanny dog," it would be a mastiff. Super calm, wise, low-key.

A whole helluva lot different in temperament than any pit bull I've ever been around or seen. The pit-bulls-as-nanny-dogs myth is a sad and malevolent fantasy, debunked not just by common sense and understanding of breeding, but by stubborn facts right here.

[Mathews]

Yes. Yes it does. They will stick with me for the rest of my life.

[Scoutmaster]

Some bear-baiting was done inside a circular above-ground fenced area.

Bear- and bull-baiting also involved fastening the animal by one leg or the neck to a post.

This is an American Bully or American Bully Pit. It grows up to 70 pounds and 21 inches high.

This is the American Pit Bull Terrier, which grows up to 60 pounds and 21 inches high. I consider the American Bully Pit and the Amertican Pit Bull to be dangerous breeds.

This is the Staffordshire Terrier, which tops out at 35 pounds and about 17 inches high. A little over half the weight of a Pit Bull and smaller in height. It hasn't been bred to be a guard or protection dog for over 200 years. The breed standards and most guides state it does not make a good guard or protection dog.

I don't think it should be lumped in with the American Pit Bull Terrier and the American Bully Pit, but it is under pit bull laws.

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Admin please rescue FReepers from my error. I somehow posted the wrong link - it leads to unforgetable, traumatizing photos of people killed by pit bulls. Please forgive my error in posting. Would you kill the link from the OP? For some of us it’s too late, I hope to spare others who have not clicked on the link.

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In 1936, the American Kennel Club (AKC) formally recognized the pit bull breed, but only under the name Staffordshire terrier. This was done to distance the breed from its continued use in dogfighting. Thus, the dog breed that descended from bull baiting and dogfighting, the pit bull terrier, began being registered under two names.2
By 1936, the United Kennel Club (UKC) had already recognized the American pit bull terrier for nearly 40-years. Hence, the original AKC registered Staffordshire terriers all came from UKC stock including champion fighting bloodlines.3 Cross-registering pit bulls at both registries under different names continues today.4
Prior to the UKC’s formal recognition of the breed in 1898,5 and in some regions until decades after, the pit bull breed was called a variety names including: pit dog, bull terrier, bull pit terrier, pit terrier, pit bull terrier, simply “bulldog,” and according to the AKC’s American Staffordshire page, American bull terrier and Yankee terrier.
In 1972, the AKC renamed the breed to American Staffordshire terrier to distinguish it from the Staffordshire bull terrier — a dog breed also included in the pit bull class of dogs. Today, shelters often use the American Staffordshire name when adopting out pit bulls to the public to mask the breed’s less palatable name, pit bull terrier.6

[EinNYC]

When I was about 4 years old, my grandfather used to walk me down his block while holding my hand. He would proudly introduce me to all of his neighbors. He was known as “the mayor of the block”, LOL. His next door neighbor had a huge pure white Great Pyrenees named King, which weighed over 100 lbs. I used to climb aboard King and ride him, using his ears to steer him. Gentlest dog you ever saw. My grandfather had no worries to see me mounted up on King. And now you tell me YOUR GP killed pit bulls. Simply AMAZING.

[Scoutmaster]

Thank you. I appreciate that information very much.

Which breeds would you eliminate to eliminate the 'pit bull' problem?

[Scoutmaster]

I'd also look carefully at the Alapaha Blue Blood Bulldog.

Here, you have a rare dog that not only gets lumped in with 'pit bull' deaths, but scores one or two death a year listed by its actual breed.

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Since that breed is termed “rare” and “exotic” by alapahabluebloodbulldogs.org, one or two deaths may be excessive. I found many links to breeders who sell and promote this as a bully breed.

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At this point I don’t know how one can elminate the pit bull problem. So many of those have been abandoned to run in dog packs when their owner can no longer handle them (often between the ages of 1.5 to 2 years when they begin to show startling agression after behaving so cuddly as a puppy). That means many many cross breeds and in some areas, packs of dogs hunting together.
Then you have pit bull breeders intentionally breeding pits to resemble rottweillers in color. Releasing pits to breed at will and intentionally breeding to make them look like rotties are spreading the damaging genetics. Then crossbreeds that kill are denied by pit nutters as being pits. Big mess.
I would go look up the latest list that home insurance companies have developed to limit their liability but I imagine you can do that as well as I. I have not memorized the names/breeds, I’d have to look them up based on human fatalities, maulings and ancestry/bloodlines.

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yeah that dog does seem to have problematic ancestry:

“Silver Dollar
William Chester was another one of the early pioneers of the pre-registration Alapaha Blue-Blood Bulldogs. Although never numerically large, his breeding program had the deepest impact on the foundation of the Alapaha. The infamous Chester’s Black Jack an outstanding 82 pound bulldog (sire: BINGO × dam: Missy) named after Bill’s favorite card game, laid the biggest contribution to the Alapaha’s foundation. The dogs sired by “Jack” that figured prominently in the Alapaha were, Chester’s BOSS, Blue Boy Lane (sire of Lana’s Marcelle) and Waldron’s Samantha. Mr. Chester being an Ol’ Pit-Bull Man himself believed in game testing his dogs on live-stock vigorously. Though his dogs were often man-aggressive this was a quality he didn’t personally care for. The Silver Dollar concoction (Catahoula × Catch-weight APBT × Mountain Bulldog) was deadly.”

[Foundahardheadedwoman]

Friend of mine had, I believe he said bull mastiffs, he had two of them. Rarely saw on their feet, they were super calm since what the 2 hundred pound door stops did, was sleep. Friendly when briefly awake though.

Only had limited exposure to pits thru the guy I helped train dogs with. It was the family pet and he had small kids and never had a problem. The dog would come outside with us and playtime was his owner pulling down a large branch on a tree overlooking a slope. The dog would grab the branch, the owner would let go, and dog and branch would swing out over the slope. The dog would hang on for roughly 5 minutes or more then drop ten feet to the ground. The pit would run back up and do it all again. First couple of times it was interesting to see how long she could hold that branch, after that it was kind of boring. She was just a playful, sweet dog.

I did know a guy who trained his pit to fight and saw a machine he used to train with. I did not know what it was and asked and he told me how it worked, after hearing how it worked I could see how you could intentionally turn any breed into an easily provoked attack animal.

The Nanny Dog story I read some years ago and it was said to be common practice in Victorian times. The animal control lady said that any pit that she had met without the Cuban strain in it, she would have no problem taking into her home around her small children. She said it was fairly wide spread among pits in the US by men with penis size issues.

I have been bitten once in my life by one of two German shepherds I had raised from pups. They were litter mates and had gotten in a bad fight over a female shepherd and I thought they would never bite me. I reached in for a choker collar and was rewarded with a cut that took 6 snitches to close. Middle finger right hand, almost took it off and since I do use it quite often would have missed it, never would have thunk it but it did happen. Dogs tend to like me and often roll over on their bellies when I approach them. Course I know how to approach and I am also an alpha, they sense that quickly.

I see the same stories as you but I also know almost any breed can be made vicious. I would also like to say that the cops don’t like them or apparently any other breed, and so I take the news stories as propaganda when coming from the MSM. I personally think a breed that doesn’t like cops shows remarkably good taste. By the way, I went to the page you recommended a couple of days ago and would not view it a second time. I will research the Cuban cross the lady told me about and get back to you.

[Scoutmaster]

One breeding site I found said there are likely no more than 150 true Alapaha Blue Blood Bulldogs in existence. It's been bred for only a few generations.

I've found three dog bite deaths attributed directly to the breed, and one media-attributed 'pit bull' death that was later described by the euthanizing shelter as an Alapaha Blue Blood Bulldog.

That doesn't speak well of the breed, particularly when it doesn't appear to be owned by the thug culture of American Pit Bull Terriers and American Bully Terriers.

However, the training information on the Alapaha Blue Blood Bulldog says it must be raised so that every member of the family, no matter how young, is alpha to it. To me, that's a huge warning label.

[Scoutmaster]

It's hard to look up the 'pit bull' deaths by breed, because so many different breeds are described by onlookers, media, and police as a 'pit bull.' Only if the dog is further described by a legitimate shelter do we know what the really was. In one case, the 'pit bull' was a Bullmastiff/Labrador Retriever mix.

First, I have to believe that American Bully Terriers are involved in the problem:

If I was this dog biting a person, I'd swear it was a 'pit bull' - an American Pit Bull Terrier, an American Staffordshire, or (they shouldn't be in the mix) or a Staffordshire Terrier.

It's not. It's the American Bully Terrier, and it's becoming more popular by leaps and bounds. Just like the American Pit Bull Terrier, I'll wager than American Bully owners are ten times more likely to have a criminal history than owners of non-bully breeds.

Yet, the American Bully is not on my country's 'pit bull' list and the miniature American Bull Terrier is.

The miniature is on the right:

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Note that the alapaha blue blood bulldogs were developed from breeds like the Silver Dollar that arise from, among other breeds, the pit bull terrier. The Silver Dollar line was known to be human agressive and was the foundational breed stock for the alapaha blue blood. It’s just an organization deciding to establish a new line that doesn’t already have an appropriate warning label attached to it. The variations in the names for members of the pit bull group were intended to shed the reputation of this shared bloodline stock. It doesn’t work, maulings and fatalities follow them wherever they go, no matter what they were called.

How many of these pit bull types, the only type known to kill more adults than children, will believe that a child is alpha to them without “challenging” the little pip squeak.

WHenever there’s a pit bull attack, particularly fatal ones, the pit bull lobby combs over the owner’s behavior, looking for the slightest action that could have been done better. This perfectionist defense led someone to note that the pit bull type dog allows zero margin of “error” when error is defined as normal human actions that can later be attacked. A baby sitter had an agreement with the child’s family that she would keep her dogs (2 pits) away from the baby. SHe did so - her well cared for dogs were kept in a room in a separate part of the house when she babysat.

One day, she put the baby on her hip to let her dogs out to the dog run. She didn’t want to leave the baby alone while she did so. She never anticipated that her beloved dogs would brush past her to the dog run and when returning, team up on her to pull her to the ground so they could attack the baby. She lay on top of the baby and they dug under her to get it. Well, you could say she made an error believing that her tame dogs would not pull her down to get the baby she held, but domestic dog owners believe this is a safe activity.

Really - even zero error results in death and maulings.

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Unfortunate, official shelter staff have no problem lying to the public, whom they deem as unreliable and aggresive, instead of the pit bulls.

WHen so many pit bulls flooded the animal shelters in New York, the shelters kicked of a campaign refering to the pits as New Yorkies in order to avoid the “stigma” of the name. WHen those New Yorkies started killing neighborhood pets (the gateway drug to human attacks), the program was dropped.

I read through an official shelter PowerPoint presentation wherein the shelter’s director toed the pro pit bull lobby’s line, “they are gentle if treated right” “they are lovable and cuddly, reliable pets that are stigmatized by the public.” It wasn’t until I got to the last few slides of the presentation that I came across stern reminders that when pits are handled at the shelter, two employees must be present, no exceptions etc. This was unique to pits, no other instructions for two adults handling other types of dogs.

Official shelter staff are happy to lie to the public, it makes them feel morally superior. But if your family was adopting a New Yorkie, wouldn’t you be a little angry to discover it was a pit?

So there’s no assurance that the Bullmastiff/Labrador Retriever mix wasn’t actually a pit bull. Pit bull owners will ridicule you to your face for correctly identifying the breed of their dog and tell you it’s some other variation of the name. Then there are those pits bred to have the coloring of rotties. A 2 year old “rottie” service dog, weighing 30lbs, did major damage on a a crowded municipal bus. Later, someone would ask the question “how many 2 year old rotties weigh 30lbs?”

And there is a video on the web about a 30lb pit killing a horse. The small ones can kill but may just over represent at the major mauling level.

I read up on the bully pits about a year ago. They are APBT stock selectively bred for size. THe AKC chooses not to register pits over a certain weight but the bully type is just a gigantic pit bull. On the web, there are many sleazy sites with dogs up to 120 pounds - the website uses brags “Bully Breed” but when you read up on their breeding stock, it’s pit bulls. So the AKC won’t register massive pits but they are pits.