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California man, 80, guns down pregnant home invader: ‘I shot her twice, she best be dead’
NY Daily News ^ | 7/24/14 | BY SASHA GOLDSTEIN

Posted on 07/24/2014 7:44:31 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda

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To: DoodleDawg
Good memory. The TX vs. CA distinction is probably important.

Also Horn shot them on his property, not in a common area.

And Horn told them that he would not shoot them if they stayed put for the police - they were not unarmed and begging for their lives.

Horn also called 911.

Another possible factor: a plainclothes cop was on the scene at Horn's and did not identify himself - I believe the reasoning was that he was afraid that something might happen to Horn if he announced himself and confused the situation before uniforms arrived.

Pretty thin stuff, and no-billing Horn probably prevented further inquiry into this aspect.

81 posted on 07/24/2014 9:24:40 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: headstamp 2

+1 what is he doing?


82 posted on 07/24/2014 9:25:50 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Bible Summary in a few verses: John 14:6, John 6:29, Romans 10:9-10)
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To: Wolfie
somebody’s on your property uninvited then you can kill them

Not actually true, as a blanket statement.

Also, it is unclear whether she was on the property.

83 posted on 07/24/2014 9:34:34 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
I'll have to buck the trend of most of the commenters in this thread. I believe people have a right to shoot people that break into your home, but when someone is clearly caught and begging for mercy, shooting them is no longer an option.

This was stepping over the line.

84 posted on 07/24/2014 9:49:04 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Robert357

Exactly.

But he made a mistake even before that, if the story is correct.

When he came home and saw his house being ransacked, he should never have gone in the house.

He should have called the cops.

That is assuming that he knew they were in the house before he entered.

If he did not know before he entered, the reporter is a sorry excuse as are most of them.


85 posted on 07/24/2014 9:51:30 AM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: RIghtwardHo
Should have shot her in the house. No problem whatsoever with that. Chasing her down and shooting her in the back is murder. I’d charge him in a heartbeat.

Agree. That was a bridge too far.

86 posted on 07/24/2014 9:51:39 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: wideawake

Yeah, I was being sarcastic. We have to watch who we support in these cases...because if kill ‘em all and let God sort ‘em out becomes the battle cry, we really will face stricter gun control laws.


87 posted on 07/24/2014 9:52:19 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

That old man would have been dead if he hadn’t done that


88 posted on 07/24/2014 9:52:48 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: jsanders2001

old people have a tendency to say things others might keep to themselves, lol


89 posted on 07/24/2014 9:53:59 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Glennb51
I hope he is able to find an attorney that is 2nd Amendment sympathetic and is capable of vetting the jury pool.

I hope he receives Justice, which in my opinion would require him to be in Prison probably till he dies. He murdered that woman and then bragged about it.

He's done.

90 posted on 07/24/2014 9:55:39 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

I’ve heard people say “it was only a property crime.” I disagree. My belief is that if you have no respect for the law, you should not expect the law to have any respect for you. If you are in the process of committing a crime, you should have no rights - PERIOD.

Pregnant or not, the blame for her death is squarely on her. If I were on this man’s jury, I’d let him walk.


91 posted on 07/24/2014 10:04:06 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Every time you say no to a liberal, you make the Baby Barack cry.)
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To: OrangeHoof

” If I were on this man’s jury, I’d let him walk.”


So would I.

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92 posted on 07/24/2014 10:06:51 AM PDT by Mears
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To: Wolfie

So if I’m having car trouble and come to your door for help,I’m a dead man?


93 posted on 07/24/2014 10:39:00 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Wolfie
.because if kill ‘em all and let God sort ‘em out becomes the battle cry, we really will face stricter gun control laws.

Well said.

94 posted on 07/24/2014 10:41:36 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: headstamp 2
Tom should shut up until he gets a lawyer.

Second that!

95 posted on 07/24/2014 10:55:09 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To win the country back, we need to be as mean as the libs say we are.)
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To: cloudmountain
Am I just A BIT over the top with that??

You are. Bad meat can pass diseases to a dog. You don't know what these predators might have been exposed to.

96 posted on 07/24/2014 11:11:04 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: headstamp 2

Sounds like he has already said too much. Maybe he wouldn’t be convicted criminally because of his age, but his civil liability will very likely destroy any assets for his estate. Too bad, too.


97 posted on 07/24/2014 11:13:19 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: Quickgun

That is undoubtedly true. However, how is it protecting one’s property to shoot a burglar who is fleeing from one’s property and stumbles in an alley? That’s retribution, not self defense or protecting one’s property. I would have had no problem if he had shot while he was being tackled, or perhaps even if she were shot during the act of burglary. Shooting the robber while she was fleeing is not self defense, property defense, or any other kind of defense, though. It’s murder plain and simple.


98 posted on 07/24/2014 11:13:45 AM PDT by stremba
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To: OrangeHoof

Me too, but there are so many people out there who have never been victims of crimes, especially violent crimes like I have, and they have no idea how fast a victim can lose their life. For all this guy knew, this bitch could have been packing heat and shot him in the stomach as she was leaving, that happens all the time, they want to leave no witnesses. So why take that risk? F that bitch, if that was me she would be going down as well. If she is crazy enough to break into his house, she is crazy enough to kill as far as I’m concerned and I sure as hell am not going to gamble my life when I can neutralize that threat.


99 posted on 07/24/2014 11:14:00 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Hitlery: Incarnation of evil.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
The problem is, he told the reporter that he knew none of that was the case.

Reporter asked straight out whether they had weapons. He said no.

She had already left, he went up to her after she stumbled outside - if she was going to shoot him as he was leaving, the moment had passed.

He killed her out of anger, not fear.

The admissions he makes are amazing in their actionableness.

100 posted on 07/24/2014 11:38:16 AM PDT by wideawake
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