Posted on 03/11/2014 6:05:11 AM PDT by C19fan
I missed the big Carl Sagan thing when it happened. I was in high school when Cosmos came out, we lived in the country and if you wanted to watch a different television network, you had to go up into the attic and turn a giant antenna with a pipe wrench. Sports and girls and D&D were more of a priority than television.
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Then suddenly we get a claim that Giordano Bruno is responsible for the concept of the universe - because he read 'banned' books. Lucretious wasn't science - there was no scientific evidence for his claim that wind caused earthquakes or worms spontaneously generated - it was philosophy, and his book was not rare in 1600 AD, people were also not martyred for reading it, and yet we get told a philosophical belief in infinity was what got Bruno into trouble.
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Bruno had a mind. He had dreams and visions. Repeatedly. And they were all just dumb luck? Please...what was it that gave him that mind? Gaia? The Universe?
I hope Tyson wrote that. Because it fits in well with what I know of him and my opinion of him. A knob.
Saw it.
An hour of TV dedicated to smearing the Catholic church.
Shameful.
SOUNDS like YOU are correct on both points.
The big bang theory was originally proposed by Monseigneur Georges Lemaître but that hurts liberal science brains so they ignore it or lie about it.
The smearing of the Catholic Church usually shows one or both things:
--fear
--ignorance.
BOTH are powerful, aren't they?
“Sagan succeeded because he communicated science without tearing other people down. Tyson does also but in the episode provided to me, the Bruno story came across as more of a program Richard Dawkins would have hosted than Carl Sagan. And that’s too bad, because Tyson is not divisive like that.”
I disagree, he is divisive, and he has no qualms tearing people down. In the ComicCon promo interview for Cosmos, he basically insulted every religious believer on the planet by implying that religion is just a bunch of made-up stories, and that the stories he is going to tell on Cosmos are better.
I’m listening to Sam Sorbo for Andrea Tantaros and she played clips of Tyson saying, among other things, that the “world was created in six days” doesn’t hold up scientifically.
Yet he and Sagan both in episode one compressed the time from the Big Bang to today into one gigantic calendar year, with BB on Jan. 1 and today Dec. 31. Sure, it was just to illustrate the history of the universe in an easy to understand way for common folk - but what makes him think the Bible wasn’t doing exactly the same thing for people back then?
I don’t know. He doesn’t know. God only knows (well, and whoever wrote Genesis; Moses?).
Elites really drive me nuts. Okay, it’s a short drive anyway....
cheers,
Jim
Tyson is entertaining, and likeable, but he is no Carl Sagan.
I DO appreciate his work, though. He once told a little girl what asked about going into science when she grows up something like “that’s the good thing about going into science- you never have to grow up”
Which is the most brilliant thing I ever heard him say. (and I agree because I am in science too so there nyah nyah)
Evidently the pictures of Deep Space were stunning and Beautiful.
That being said, if you want a daily “fix’ of Deep Space, without the leftist liberal anti-God agenda, get onto the APOD ping list here on FR! :-)
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Considering that ones enemy reasons from “fear” or “ignorance” lends them a semblance of passivity and the target an illogical conclusion that mere education of the aggressor can be utilized to sway them.
More logical is the conclusion that the aggressor knows fully well their perceived enemy, and that any means or methods are being used by them to win or make their point.
Not only that, the big bang is a sure thing. The least these fools could do would be to couch these theories with words such as, “based on current observations, or scientific theory...”
“that’s the good thing about going into science- you never have to grow up”
Back in the 90's I was out in the middle of nowhere in the Trinity Alps cleaning up some Jet-A spilled along a stream with my boss (both of us geologists). We were at a stage where we had to just stir up degraded granite sand to release the fuel while a pump cycled the water through activated carbon cannisters to soak it up.
The weather was spectacular, trout were [still, lol] swimming in the adjacent flowing stream and I looked at him and said "Did you ever, in your wildest dreams when you were a kid making mud pies or throwing rocks, think you'd grow up and get paid to do this?"
He chuckled and replied "no..."
He later had me drive his Jeep back down the mountian one evening so he could ride his racing bike down highway 299.
Geology = Field Good!, Office Bad! :-)
bump
This thing was worse than my worst fears. Just awful. They had no voice, no message, no audience in mind. It does not rise to the level of hokey. An embarrassment, and worse, a wasted opportunity.
Carl Sagan was a good scientist and a great salesman. His vision, his message drove the original Cosmos. Dr. Tyson probably did as well as could be expected given the material, but he is very much a lesser epigone of Sagan. Great special effects and computer graphics in the service of a muddled and confused message. The fancy-schmatzy computer graphics added to the confusion and detracted from whatever message they thought they had. The cheesy “Also Sprach Zarathustra” Musik didn’t help, either. If you watched the first episode you know less about the cosmos than before.
Four rotten tomatoes. In case I wasn’t clear, I HATED IT.
Maybe it would’ve been better if Cicely Tyson narrated it.
Not all fearful or ignorant people react with passivity. THOSE have nothing to do with their character. FEAR is often a motivator as some people get ANGRY at being fearful. One can't predict another's response to fear.
As for ignorance, people STILL may react with anger when their IGNORANCE is ridiculed or challenged.
People can be swayed by a pretty/handsome face, by a good body, by bribery...or by who knows what. People aren't always predictable or readable.
Sometimes this is true.
I suppose that the political arena DOES bring out the worst in many people.
When I was REALLY young and stupid I even had thoughts about being in politics. By the time I was in my early 20's I KNEW that politics was dirty, nasty, dishonest and corrupt.
Hah, then I lived in Mexico for two years. After THAT I thought that US politics were pretty clean.
After visiting African countries, living in Saudi Arabia for five years and visiting Russia in 2008, I KNEW that, however BAD we think our gubmin is, the USA is the very best place to live and work. We have our "warts" and DO try to correct them...but it doesn't always work.
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