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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I agree wholeheartedly up until the point where he starts quoting the Bible and how women should submit to men, which is utter bullshit. Both men and women need to be completely open to each other with their feelings, which is in a way, I think a form of mutual submission.

At the end, the article continues to push a stereotype - that men are reluctant to share their feelings. Consider that the first half of the article described the common case (I lived it for many years), of wives publicly displaying passive aggressive behavior towards their husbands - interrupting, eye rolling, recounting unflattering stories, etc. Is this what counts as being communicative? Both parties need to regularly start sentences with “this is how I feel...” and “how do you feel...?”. It doesn’t matter if there’s a solution, or whether of not anything comes from it. Communication is priceless. I lived on a diet of “No”, “I don’t know”, “hmmmm”, and silence (at least in private) for almost twenty years until I said “enough”, and filed for divorce.

Now, when I’m with a group of married men, and their commiserating about the lack of sex, the steady stream of “yes dears”, and the continual tap dancing in order to avoid incurring the wrath of their wives, it pains me quite a bit. I do hold my tongue though. Everyone has to walk their own path.


27 posted on 02/26/2014 6:27:17 AM PST by Jack of all Trades (Hold your face to the light, even though for the moment you do not see.)
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To: Jack of all Trades

I hope for your sake you come to the point where you don’t call the word of God bull. It is possible you are taking it out of context. Continuing on in the Word will show you that likewise, husbands are to love their wives as Christ loves the Church, even giving up His life for her. It take an understanding that comes from reading the whole thing. If you would read Ephesians 5:22-33 you would see what might be in modern language the requirements of mutual commitment, and that commitment is not to be conditional. If the commitment is conditional, there is no chance of weathering bad times.


34 posted on 02/26/2014 7:21:15 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Vote Democrat. Once you're OK with killing babies the rest is easy. <BCC><)
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To: Jack of all Trades
"I agree wholeheartedly up until the point where he starts quoting the Bible and how women should submit to men, which is utter bullshit."

Well, that's an....interesting....way to describe Scripture.

You remind me of my Christian conservative friend who suddenly told me she's become a "conservative feminist" because she hates the Bible's language toward women, the way men treat women as "objects , etc. Neither one of you has any understanding of the submission verse nor the intended relationship between husband and wife.

That particular reference has nothing to do with being second-class, weak, uncommunicative, or ill-treated.

40 posted on 02/26/2014 10:37:43 AM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: Jack of all Trades
Read Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis and then come back to this discussion. Don't worry, it's not very long.
46 posted on 02/26/2014 1:50:34 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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