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Time Travellers: Please Don’t Kill Hitler
The Guardian ^

Posted on 02/23/2014 11:06:23 AM PST by nickcarraway

In almost any science-fiction scenario involving time-travel, the default action is to kill Hitler. As terrible a human being as he was, there are many reasons why this probably isn’t a good idea

If you find yourself suddenly gaining access to a time machine, what’s the first thing you’d do? If you said “kill Adolf Hitler”, then congratulations; you’re a science-fiction character. Actually, the whole “access to a time machine” thing suggested that already, but the desire to kill Hitler clinches it. Any time-travelling sci-fi character (at least ones created by Western society) seems to want to kill Hitler, so much so that there’s a trope about how it’s impossible.

That attempting to kill Hitler has become such a common sci-fi plot device speaks volumes. What about Stalin? He was arguably worse, killing 20 million of his own people to fuel his ideology. But no, Stalin went about his business unmolested by time travellers, all of whom are busy targeting Hitler.

It’s understandable. Who wouldn’t want to prevent the holocaust? It’s probably the worst thing in history. And I only say “probably” because I don’t know all of history, and the human capacity to be awful should not be underestimated. But as noble as it seems, killing the Fuhrer via time travel is a terrible idea, for real-world reasons, not just those in fiction. So should you get hold of a time machine and make plans to kill Hitler, here are some reasons why you shouldn’t.

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TOPICS: History; TV/Movies; UFO's; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: callingartbell; history; hitler; timetravel
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To: mware

Its because time isn’t a linear progression, as those of us traveling in the slow lane experience it. It’s actually a great big ball of wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey stuff :)


101 posted on 02/23/2014 4:08:23 PM PST by Vanders9
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To: nickcarraway

Architectural school would have been better. He was good at that.


102 posted on 02/23/2014 4:09:13 PM PST by Vanders9
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To: Political Junkie Too
Maybe if we can kill Hitler, Roosevelt would be a one-term President?
Ironically, you’d do better to prevent the election of Hoover. If Coolidge had served a second term, the economy doesn’t tank and FDR might not get elected at all.

103 posted on 02/23/2014 5:02:41 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion ("Liberalism” is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: mdmathis6
When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.

Genesis 3:6

It says he was there with her.

104 posted on 02/23/2014 5:14:52 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: SamAdams76
If you'll read the fascinating book Rees Howells Intercessor, you'll get the "rest of the story." Hitler's decision to turn towards Moscow was undoubtedly influenced by intense intercessory prayer.
105 posted on 02/23/2014 5:57:43 PM PST by The Truth Will Make You Free
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To: nickcarraway

keep Hitler in Art School! BUT another worse might have taken over—a communist who would have killed more? Maybe this fellow with Stalin as an ally might have won!


106 posted on 02/23/2014 6:11:11 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: nickcarraway
Time Travellers: Please Don’t Kill Hitler

Well idiot, if they did we would never know about it.

107 posted on 02/23/2014 8:49:59 PM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
And of course, none of us would know it, would we?

I cannot believe this got to 38 comments before someone mentioned the obvious!

Some people need to read "Methuselah's Children", Time Enough for Love", "The Guns of the South", or "Gettysburg: A Novel of the Civil War." Heck, every other episode of Doctor Who mentions the hazards of a temporal paradox.

108 posted on 02/23/2014 9:17:34 PM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: Starstruck

because sometimes God wants to see what we will do, to put some of our skin in the game.

also sometimes because God wants us to do what we can do ,and He’ll do what only He can do. it’s another different way of saying my first point.


109 posted on 02/23/2014 9:19:10 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: UnwashedPeasant

LBJ before Lincoln. Hell FDR before LBJ.


110 posted on 02/23/2014 9:20:08 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: nickcarraway

If I could go back in time, I would relieve the mast watch on the Titanic. Then the helm would not have had enough time to avoid a direct head-on collision with the iceberg. That would have crushed the front four compartments, instead of ripping a long gouge in the side, and the ship would have floated instead of sinking.

In turn, that would have saved the lives of the bankers on board who were against the formation of the Federal Reserve Bank. Without the FRB, neither the Nazis nor the Soviets would have been funded, and their takeovers would have failed, and both WWs 1&2 could have been averted.


111 posted on 02/23/2014 10:22:14 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Vanders9

LOL, and the tardis is bigger on the inside than it is on the outside.


112 posted on 02/24/2014 5:06:30 AM PST by mware
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To: Secret Agent Man
also sometimes because God wants us to do what we can do ,and He’ll do what only He can do

What I was trying to say was God has a plan, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't involve inventing a time machine and going back to kill Hitler

113 posted on 02/24/2014 7:14:57 AM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: nickcarraway
If one has a time machine, what is to stop a person from killing Mohammed, Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh...the list goes on. A huge project but in the end, very worthwhile.

Why stop at one?

114 posted on 02/24/2014 7:28:45 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts ("The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it." - George Orwell)
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To: mware

Hitler is a fixed point in time.


115 posted on 02/24/2014 7:37:17 AM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: Starstruck

oh no question, to your overall point. if it could be done it would have been, it is clear God exists outside of time and can see all points in time, but we are at fixed points in time and only run forward. if people or things could go back in time they could change what God had either directly caused to occur, or allowed to occur. and that ain’t gonna happen.


116 posted on 02/24/2014 11:16:02 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
it is clear God exists outside of time and can see all points in time,

Right. When Peter says a day is like a thousand years to the Lord and a thousand years like a day, he is saying from God's perspective everything is happening at once, beginning to end, alpha to omega.

117 posted on 02/24/2014 11:34:21 AM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Starstruck

well the creation of physical things demands space and time exist.

if you’re the guy creating everything, you’re by definition, larger than it, and outside of it, and not bound by its limits. unless you willingly are, as in the case with Jesus Christ, for a short time.


118 posted on 02/24/2014 11:37:40 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: nickcarraway

If you killed Hitler, then the generals who HATED the way Hitler micromanaged the war would have been able to run things their way, and maybe WWII would have been WON by the Germans.


119 posted on 02/24/2014 11:39:46 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: nickcarraway

Another negative side effect: If Hitler was killed very young, the Second World War may not have happened.

Then Europe’s industrial base would have been untouched, and Germany’s superior science would have made Europe the global Superpower.

America would have been Europe’s b*tch.

It was only because we emerged from that war, untouched, that we became such a superpower.


120 posted on 02/24/2014 11:44:50 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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