Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

To: Kevmo

Another free energy scam...

You know that a teenager in a basement with a surplus capacitor bank can generate a 1MW pulse, right? 12,000 Amps at 170V is over 2MW (170VDC being available from rectified 120V mains). At 20A, it will take a while to charge this bank, but not all that long, if the required output pulse is very short.

The problem here is that putting 12KW through water, just causes electrolysis of the water (or perhaps even plain old disassociation at that power level due to quick formation of superheated plasma). The catalyst would pretty much instantly boil away, even our most exotic metals & compounds. It would only take a few Joules for that. Then the high temperature region formed by the plasma arc, simply ignites the oxy-hydrogen fuel mixture and bam, big output power pulse, post input.

Notice that they didn’t give a output ratio here of Joules in to Joules out. Using Watts in to Watts out is a easy way of cloaking energy consumption and production.

Way to think of this: you can charge a capacitor bank with a 5W hand generator. Depending on the capacity, this could take a while. But you could still generate a megawatt output pulse from that bank. But the output duration will be very short. This is what these folks did, IMO. Just very careful wording of a press release to make things sound better than they are, and the gullible just eat it up.


80 posted on 01/15/2014 8:04:13 PM PST by Aqua225 (Realist)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]


To: Aqua225

Thank you.


83 posted on 01/15/2014 8:07:31 PM PST by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 80 | View Replies ]

To: Aqua225; Kevmo

That should read 12KA, not 12KW.


84 posted on 01/15/2014 8:08:01 PM PST by Aqua225 (Realist)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 80 | View Replies ]

To: Aqua225

You are wasting your time posting any actual scientifically valid explanation on a Kevmo thread.


87 posted on 01/15/2014 8:11:27 PM PST by FredZarguna (Das is nicht richtig nur falsch. Das ist nicht einmal falsch.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 80 | View Replies ]

To: Aqua225
and the gullible just eat it up.

Unfortunately, as in the case of con man Rossi, sometimes the gullible are highly educated people, even PhD physicists.

The situation is entirely analogous to that which we saw in the 1960's, 70's and 80's with claims by "parapsychologists" that ESP was real. On numerous occasions, people who should have known better were given bogus demonstrations of clock-starting, spoon-bending and other dubious psycho-kinetic phenomena and pronounced them "real." The usual subtext was "A person with my education and sophistication could not be fooled by a charlatan."

Yeah. Right.

When trained magicians were brought on the scene, these ESP demonstrations quickly yielded null results. Undeterred, psychic "researchers" claimed a psi effect that the presence of skeptics destroyed the abilities of practitioners to demonstrate the skill.

Yeah. Right.

Rossi managed to dupe a handful of physicists during one demonstration -- who did not really get to examine his apparatus, a fact to which they subsequently admitted. That doesn't stop Kevmo from repeatedly invoking the exaggeration that "independent researchers" have "verified" the E-Cat and other bogus devices such as this one. The usual defense is, of course, that trade secrets are involved which will be revealed as soon as the patents are finalized.

Yeah. Right.

91 posted on 01/15/2014 8:25:15 PM PST by FredZarguna (Das is nicht richtig nur falsch. Das ist nicht einmal falsch.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 80 | View Replies ]

To: Aqua225

The article says explicitly: The fuel can be continuously fed into the electrodes to continuously output power. A 1MW pulse is not continuous output power.


104 posted on 01/15/2014 8:47:19 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 80 | View Replies ]

To: Aqua225

But the output duration will be very short. .... Just very careful wording of a press release
***Then we’ll wait & see on the demo date. If Mills is engaged in this much duplicity, it means he can’t produce results and others are surpassing him. It’s sometimes hard to discern the difference between a skilled PR razmatazz artist and someone who doesn’t know the difference between a pulse and continuous output power. I’ve dealt with enough PR people to know the latter is far, far more common.


141 posted on 01/15/2014 10:20:18 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 80 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson