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Ann Shoben: Skinheads, anti-government cultists embrace NRA's paranoid message
Arizona Daily Star ^ | December 30, 2013 | By Ann Shoben

Posted on 12/31/2013 1:48:06 PM PST by Lazamataz

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To: Lazamataz

Can I hire her to stand in my cornfield?


41 posted on 12/31/2013 2:19:15 PM PST by windsorknot (>>>)
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To: Lazamataz
"To her point: All have in common an unshakable belief that the federal government is the enemy." Oh I see, it was perfectly OK for her and her ilk to be anti-establishment in the 60's. Today, faced with the most corrupt administration in modern history, it's not permitted.
42 posted on 12/31/2013 2:20:20 PM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Lazamataz
She ought to shoot herself.

With an Elephant Gun

43 posted on 12/31/2013 2:20:28 PM PST by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: Lazamataz

Dear Anne Sheban,

NRA! NRA! It’s the NRA! Really?

Nothing, not one word about all the laws that were already broken by these shooters, but I’m sure if I saw you talking about all the new laws that you would like to see for gun control, you would only have one hand on the top of the desk!

You shout NRA! as you would ‘corporate elite!’

Madam, and I use that term in the French business sense, I am a disabled senior citizen. Skinhead? At my age, who isn’t!! Anti-government cultist? I believe that the U.S. Constitution is the law of the land, not what drips off President Obama’s pen. I am a military veteran of the Vietnam War. You know, the one where all of us are nothing but uncontrollable loonies loose on society, as your descendants in the news business labeled us?

I am a card-carrying NRA member. I am not a member of a corporation. Ol’ Wayne says a lot of things, but I don’t always agree with all of them. However, the millions of military veteran Americans that make up the NRA do not condone anyone writing any laws that shunt, stem, abate, or deny our undeniable right to purchase, own, and operate arms. That includes you and your statements that “there are not enough gun laws”.


44 posted on 12/31/2013 2:22:11 PM PST by Terry L Smith
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To: Lazamataz

Sorry lady but it is not about the NRA. It is about American defending their Constitutional Rights.


45 posted on 12/31/2013 2:24:10 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to od about their hsign up for the American Revolution 2014 and the Crusades 2014?)
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To: Lazamataz

Not anti-government, but anti-BIG-government.

I guess I’m a cultist in addition to being a potential terrorist threat.

One wonders just how much of the cool-aid she drank.


46 posted on 12/31/2013 2:28:24 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Vote Democrat. Once you're OK with killing babies the rest is easy. <BCC><)
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To: Lazamataz

Anti-constitutionalist gun grabbers warm fuzzy words: Passionately for common sense. Reasonable gun control.

Pro-constitutionalists cold prickly words:
most Primitive fears. Extreme fringe. Loathsome. Paranoid. Racist skinheads. Neo Nazis. David Koresh. Waco. Apocolypse. Lizard part of the brain. Forged in prison.

She certainly has me convinced that a gun free society is a safe society. I can’t think of any historical examples where an all powerful central government has abused an unarmed populace. “Oh great, work will make us free right after this warm shower.”


47 posted on 12/31/2013 2:31:06 PM PST by Organic Panic
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To: Lazamataz

I was going to reply to this thread, but not now. In fact I want to pretend I never clicked on this link. Because ouch.


48 posted on 12/31/2013 2:36:31 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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Yeah, but I’d still hit it.


49 posted on 12/31/2013 2:40:53 PM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz
After the slaughter of innocents at Sandy Hook last December, the nation seemed poised to enact common-sense gun controls.

Then the nation started to wake up and realized that "gun control" is not only unconstitutional, it flat DOES NOT WORK. So-called "gun control" only impacts the law abiding. Criminals and the insane, ready willing and able to break dozens of other laws including felony murder don't even think twice about breaking "gun control" laws.

Polls showed that even the majority of gun owners and NRA members were in favor of such measures as universal background checks and the banning of some military style assault weapons.

This is a lie. Well, there was a poll, carefully crafted, and heavily edited. The majority of firearms owners and NRA members are MOST CERTAINLY NOT IN FAVOR OF GUN CONTROL. Real polls show this repeatedly and unquestionably. One rigged poll is all the would be gun-grabbers ever cite.

His message: The government was coming to confiscate our guns and deprive us once and for all of our Second Amendment rights.

Wake up lady - the government is doing exactly that in NY and CA even as I type this. Yes, they are confiscating firearms right now.

Passionate arguments for these same modest gun control measures by the president and the parents of the murdered children fell on deaf ears.

Good. Policy and law should not be made in the heat of passion. So "passionate" arguments should be ignored.

David Gregory on “Meet the Press” felt obliged to ask LaPierre: Is this the new norm? As if LaPierre had the answer. Indeed, I think he does.

Yes, it is. Cold hard truth time lady. There is evil in the world. There is insanity in the world. Disarming the law abiding will not make us safer from evil and insanity. In fact, time and time again (100% of the time in fact) it has been shown that when strict gun-control measures are enacted violent crime, including murder rates, INCREASE. So if you're all about safety, why would you advocate a position that is known to cause more violent crime and more murders, not less. ??? Hmmm?

We have to ask why the gun lobby’s arguments are so potent. How do they manage to override our common sense and evoke our deepest, most primitive fears —not once but time after time?

Our argument is potent because it is based on fact and common sense. The arguments of the gun-grabbers are based on emotion without consideration for the long term consequences of their short-term feel-good proposals.

Well, from here on she goes full-retard. Not even worth typing.

50 posted on 12/31/2013 2:51:51 PM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Lazamataz
It's the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution Lady, it protects the first,
and all the others. Which btw, given the chance you would have taken away also.


And OMG she looks just like my Ex's mother who spent many months in an asylum, many times.

51 posted on 12/31/2013 2:52:47 PM PST by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: Lazamataz

Besides being a Liberal nutcase, who is this nutcase? Ann, your village misses you.


52 posted on 12/31/2013 2:52:58 PM PST by ExCTCitizen (MerryChristmasAll)
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To: Lazamataz
"...such measures as universal background checks and the banning of some military style assault weapons."

Hear that sound? It's Shoben's credibility (if she ever had any) flying out the window.

"....50-caliber bullets..."

You mean those .50 caliber bullets that have never once been used in a crime by a legal owner of a weapon that can fire them?

"...and your 100-round ammo clips."

Man, in must be hard pushing one of those into an SKS!

53 posted on 12/31/2013 2:53:36 PM PST by DemforBush (Ice cream, Mandrake? Children's ice cream?)
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To: Lazamataz

Argumentum ad hominem.

It says that she is a science writer. Her commentary is entirely emotional with no supporting evidence. Therefore, its assertions can be dismissed summarily.


54 posted on 12/31/2013 2:54:06 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters for Freedom and Rededicaton to the Principles of the U.S. Constitution...)
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To: Lazamataz
"Mr. MadisonMs. Shoben, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

--http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112508/quotes

55 posted on 12/31/2013 2:55:58 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Lazamataz

It looks like the daughter of Ronald McDonald and Helen Thomas. Ugly.


56 posted on 12/31/2013 2:58:21 PM PST by ExCTCitizen (MerryChristmasAll)
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To: Lazamataz
common-sense gun controls:

Putting defenseless law-abiding citizens at the mercy of armed criminals.

Common sense? Only in the NewSpeak lexicon.

57 posted on 12/31/2013 3:07:42 PM PST by Maceman (Just say "NO" to tyranny.)
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To: Lazamataz
where to begin?

common-sense gun controls.

"common sense gun control laws" mean total civilian prohibition - the ultimate goal of all gun control advocates a"country where only the police and the military are armed."

Poll s showed that even the majority of gun owners and NRA members were in favor of such measures as universal background checks and the banning of some military style assault weapons.

Maybe those polls taken in NYC, Boston, and Wash DC, I can assure this scag that not anyone I knew was in favor of banning anything.

an Then, while most of us were still reeling with shock,

Gotta say I was not "reeling with shock." I thought it was sad, but so what? Is this old bat reeling with shock over the thousands of abortions performed daily in the USA. There are kids of a sort too.

His message: The government was coming to confiscate our guns and deprive us once and for all of our Second Amendment rights.

Well which is it? not depriving us of our rights or "common sense bs. etc"

and despite President Obama’s assurances that the government did not want our guns and had no intention of...

Would this be "If you like your plan you can keep your plan" president 0butthole? Or is there another 0bama whose every world that comes out of his mouth ISN'T a lie?

58 posted on 12/31/2013 3:14:27 PM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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Obamacare will take her out well before that.

The current version of Action T4.

59 posted on 12/31/2013 3:18:23 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Lazamataz
OK, FReepers, this thread should inspire some New Years Resolutions. A few possibilities:

1. Buy or renew a NRA membership.

2. Buy someone a gift NRA membership.

3. Buy another firearm and/or more ammo.

4. Work to defeat a gun-grabbing politician.

60 posted on 12/31/2013 3:23:44 PM PST by matt1234 (Hitler blamed the Jews. Obama blames the Tea Party.)
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