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How Iron Maiden found its worst music pirates -- then went and played for them
CiteWorld.com ^ | December 20th, 2013 | Andy Patrizio

Posted on 12/23/2013 2:45:02 AM PST by wastedyears

For more than a decade, musicians have battled rampant music piracy that has put labels and record stores out of business at a rapid pace. Unlike the shift to Amazon that did in the book store chains, record stores are suffering from outright theft, and the migration to iTunes or Spotify streaming isn't making up the difference.

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Saw this posted on Facebook. As mentioned, it's far better than what Lars Ulrich from Metallica did, and the argument can be made that they're responsible for the sorry state music is in from the musician's standpoint.
1 posted on 12/23/2013 2:45:02 AM PST by wastedyears
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To: wastedyears
Yep, I always thought that it was foolish how "artists" sued their fans rather than trying to interact with them like Iron Maiden has.

Reminds me when Paramount started suing Star Trek fans over their fan websites...look where that franchise ended up.

2 posted on 12/23/2013 3:24:16 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: wastedyears

They did find a unique money stream in a difficult world.

As for the current sorry state of music, I blame the raising of the drinking age to 21. Prior to this, there were road houses everywhere. And all those road houses had bands every night. You could make a decent living just playing these road houses, and pretty good cash if you just played on weekends. When the drinking age was raised, and the 18-20 year old kids no longer could go out, it scuttled 80% of the road house clientele, and all the road houses went out of business.

These road houses were the “minor leagues” of music. It’s where musicians got good at their craft. And we not only developed our skills, we could try new and different forms of music.

Clubs had a stage, and bands had their own PA and light systems. People who attended these shows came away with the feel that they had been to a big-time rock show.

We did all this while maintaining the dream of “Hitting it big”, as some bands did. There’s no place to do that now, no place for young people to become musicians.

Whenever I go out to see a band play now, I come away depressed. The bands are relegated to a corner of a cramped bar, with something that just barely makes them heard over the din. And the band members themselves are my age, playing vanilla music with no spirit.


3 posted on 12/23/2013 3:35:57 AM PST by wolfpat (Not to know what has been transacted in former times is to be always a child. -- Cicero)
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To: wastedyears
Very smart business model.
Very smart.
4 posted on 12/23/2013 3:38:03 AM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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To: wastedyears

Bookmark.


5 posted on 12/23/2013 3:45:24 AM PST by SunTzuWu
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To: wolfpat

You make a good point. I never saw it that way. Compelling post.


6 posted on 12/23/2013 3:56:24 AM PST by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: wolfpat
These road houses were the “minor leagues” of music.

That's the best explanation I've heard. I've had enough of auto-tuned dance divas.

Where did rock go?

7 posted on 12/23/2013 3:59:44 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: wastedyears

Most underrated metal band in history.


8 posted on 12/23/2013 4:07:25 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Governor Sarah Heath Palin for President of the United States in 2016)
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To: wolfpat

Perpahs Obamamusic, which will force young people to go to juice bars, where government selectected musicians from the nations grant fed music departments will play.

Yea, that should fix it.


9 posted on 12/23/2013 4:20:38 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: wolfpat

Very good post, but I think there’s more to it than that. I blame the sorry state of music on the mass commercialization of music in a digital age where products have very short shelf-lives. The industry always has to have a number of “big acts” at the top of the charts, and they simply churn the content just to keep their customers interested.


10 posted on 12/23/2013 4:30:18 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Alberta's Child

There may be an element of that in it. But remember that mass commercialization has always been done in music. The name that immediately comes to mind is The Monkees.

But new and good music always shoots up between the cracks if it exists. But as far as I can see, it just ain’t there any more.


11 posted on 12/23/2013 4:41:18 AM PST by wolfpat (Not to know what has been transacted in former times is to be always a child. -- Cicero)
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To: SampleMan
Perhaps Obamamusic, which will force young people to go to juice bars, where government selectected musicians from the nations grant fed music departments will play.

Don't say that too loud. Some government bureaucrat might hear you and think it's a good idea.
12 posted on 12/23/2013 4:45:38 AM PST by wolfpat (Not to know what has been transacted in former times is to be always a child. -- Cicero)
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To: wolfpat
But new and good music always shoots up between the cracks if it exists. But as far as I can see, it just ain’t there any more.

Oh, there are tremendous musicians out there - they have just forsaken the corruption-riddled record company/radio distribution channels and are finding ways to sell their product directly through the Internet. I don't think the situation for young musicians is hopeless, it's just that the traditional path of playing in a bar and getting discovered by record company A&R men is no longer viable.

13 posted on 12/23/2013 4:51:44 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: Mr. Jeeves; wolfpat
A talented young lady.
14 posted on 12/23/2013 5:02:41 AM PST by Anton.Rutter
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To: wolfpat

You make a good point. Hell, The Beatles got their start playing in the Cavern Club for the lunch crowd.


15 posted on 12/23/2013 5:20:18 AM PST by KevinB (Barack Hussein Obama: Proof-positive that affirmative action does not work.)
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To: wolfpat
But new and good music always shoots up between the cracks if it exists. But as far as I can see, it just ain’t there any more.

There's more good music out now than has ever existed. Most of it won't be played on the radio, though, so one has to search for it.

16 posted on 12/23/2013 5:25:28 AM PST by KevinB (Barack Hussein Obama: Proof-positive that affirmative action does not work.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Eddie Trunk has a syndicated metal radio show which airs Sunday nights. Last night, he played an hour of Maiden.


17 posted on 12/23/2013 5:46:25 AM PST by ConservativeStatement ("World Peace 1.20.09.")
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To: KevinB; Mr. Jeeves
You both make good points.

I would agree that there are some good young POTENTIAL musicians out there, but they suffer from what we used to call "Bedroom Syndrome". They are hot players while they're at home alone playing along with the record. But they have a difficult time playing with a band. This is especially fatal in a drummer, who is supposed to lead, not follow.

There may also be some good new music out there, but you have to slog through a massive amount of worthless noise to find it.

Playing in front of people not only lets you find new and wonderful musical concepts, it lets you throw out stuff that should never see the light of day.

I saw this coming a few years ago. I was doing a pickup gig with a band playing biker bars. They had found this hot young guitar player who had a rich dad. He had the full Marshall stack, with the latest and greatest MIDI box made at that time.

While we were setting up for the first gig, I saw him in front of his rig trying to get the right sound.

Flang flang

"No. That ain't right"

He'd fiddle with the knobs.

Flang flang

"No. That ain't right, either"

This went on for a while, until I got tired of it."Would you mind if I try it?"

"No, please go ahead."

I unplugged his guitar from the MIDI box, unplugged the MIDI box from the amp, and plugged his guitar into the amp. Then I turned the amp master volume all the way up.

"Try it now."

Flang flang

"YEAH, THAT'S THE SOUND I'M LOOKING FOR."
18 posted on 12/23/2013 5:46:59 AM PST by wolfpat (Not to know what has been transacted in former times is to be always a child. -- Cicero)
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To: wastedyears

This is actually far more dramatic than it appears, for several reasons.

To start with, the vast majority of music out there, and a lot still in copyright, is “old music”. Old music has a huge disconnect with music listeners who have never heard it, unless something, anything, bridges the gap. That is, unless they hear it, they don’t know anything about it.

And they won’t buy music “sound unheard”. There is just too much of it for any appreciable audience to discover on their own.

But music piracy changes that. Someone who doesn’t know anything about jazz or blues, for example, begins with very general search terms. They get results starting with the most popular jazz and blues artists. From there, they pick up names of artists; then perhaps other artists they played with. They might notice a record label, or a sub-genre of what they’re interested in.

All the while, they are downloading old music that is new to them, and listening to it. Their searches become more refined. Their knowledge on that subject grows.

And eventually it leads them to want to buy that music, if they can get it at a reasonable price.

Importantly, many of the music pirates become fans of the music and/or the artist. So they do word of mouth sales to their peers as well.


19 posted on 12/23/2013 6:04:23 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Last Obamacare Promise: "If You Like Your Eternal Soul, You Can Keep It.")
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To: wolfpat

LOL!


20 posted on 12/23/2013 6:12:17 AM PST by KevinB (Barack Hussein Obama: Proof-positive that affirmative action does not work.)
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