Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

None needed.
1 posted on 10/25/2013 8:02:43 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies ]


To: Attention Surplus Disorder

The 17th needs to be repealed and never should have been ratified. I really don’t understand what the states were thinking. I hope William Jennings Bryant is burning for what he started.


2 posted on 10/25/2013 8:08:35 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Attention Surplus Disorder

“There is only one remaining peaceful way to change things: Withdraw your consent and thus intentionally but peacefully and lawfully destabilize the underpinning of the government debt market,”

Forgive me. I haven’t had my coffee. What does this mean practically? Going Galt?


3 posted on 10/25/2013 8:14:13 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Attention Surplus Disorder

And vote fraud isn’t even part of the above equation...


4 posted on 10/25/2013 8:14:34 AM PDT by chrisser (Senseless legislation does nothing to solve senseless violence.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Bump


5 posted on 10/25/2013 8:18:48 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Lk 16:31 And he said unto him If they hear not Moses and the prophets neither will theybe persuaded)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Attention Surplus Disorder
"Withdraw your consent"? That's it? That's the brilliant strategy that will save us? Thanks for the insult and the useless idea, Karl.

The US economy will crash quickly or slowly regardless of our consent. How's this for a actual strategy?:

1. Work hard and make the most money you can.
2. Use that money to prepare for the unavoidable collapse.
3. Preparing means moving away from high population areas and buying real things - defensible arable land, guns and ammo, food and medicine, etc.
4. Join with your neighbors and similarly minded folks in defense groups.
5. Develop a non-technology based skill - farming, carpentry, tailoring, food prep, etc.
6. The most important - Get right with God. Join a church, read your Bible, pray for revival.

Somehow, I think these ideas might prove more successful that "withdraw your consent".

6 posted on 10/25/2013 8:19:42 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Hmm. Sobering article, and things do look bleak, but the author is making a few assumptive mistakes that work in the favor of his thesis.

First, it is wrong to assume that EVERY govt worker is going to vote liberal Democrats all the time. They don’t. The majority does, but to assume 100% skews his figures greatly.

Second, it is wrong to assume that EVERY means tested recipient will vote liberal also. Many of those are on SS and they are conservative. Again, by assuming 100-0% instead of maybe 70-30% his total skew is huge.

Third, it ignores the fact that the way the geography is laid out, conservatives are in a great position to continue to win House seat majorities because the libs are cloistered in inner cities.

And fourth, if he were correct, the margins in 2008 and 2012 would have been MUCH larger and 2010 would not have happened, not to mention all the good elections in 2009 and 2011 in odd run-offs, etc.

Overall, I think his premise is correct, just not nearly as correct as he says, because he is cooking his own books.


7 posted on 10/25/2013 8:20:19 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Attention Surplus Disorder

“reduce your spending and income to only that which provides necessities”

Way ahead of you on that one.


11 posted on 10/25/2013 8:36:59 AM PDT by thorvaldr
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Attention Surplus Disorder

“As such you cannot vote your way out of this.

You cannot politically organize your way out of this. “

Eventually, we’ll probably have to shoot our way out of this.


12 posted on 10/25/2013 8:38:53 AM PDT by Boogieman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Attention Surplus Disorder
There were 108,592,000 people in the United States in the fourth quarter of 2011 who were recipients of one or more means-tested government benefit programs, the Census Bureau said in data released this week. Meanwhile, according to the Census Bureau, there were 101,716,000 people who worked full-time year round in 2011. That included both private-sector and government workers.

None of the people getting means-tested government benefits will ever vote to reduce them, nor vote for any politician that will reduce them.


1. There are plenty of people who get some form of means tested government benefit, but also work full-time, year round. They just don't earn enough for their circumstances, which of course are largely created by government in the first place.

2. Plenty of people who receive some form of means tested government aid still vote for conservative and Tea Party candidates. "What's Wrong with Kansas?" explores this in depth.
20 posted on 10/25/2013 8:52:16 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There's no salvation in politics.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Swell, somebody new to try to stampede me.


21 posted on 10/25/2013 8:52:57 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (We're At That Awkward Stage: It's too late to vote them out, too early to shoot the bastards.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Secession does not mean Civil War will follow......


23 posted on 10/25/2013 8:55:44 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Attention Surplus Disorder
None of the people getting means-tested government benefits will ever vote to reduce them, nor vote for any politician that will reduce them....you're outvoted by 36%....

....There is only one remaining peaceful way to change things: Withdraw your consent and thus intentionally but peacefully and lawfully destabilize the underpinning of the government debt market, thereby denying the government the means to continue screwing you, your children and grandchildren irrespective of the vote count. The only other choices remaining are consenting to your own economic death, along with that of your children and grandchildren, or violence.

IOW learn to live on so little (enough for the necessities but not the niceties) that the govt. cannot function on the taxes that you still generate.

24 posted on 10/25/2013 8:57:17 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Amazing that with the help of the MSM, 535 pols can run a great country of 300 million into the ground.


29 posted on 10/25/2013 9:16:15 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Attention Surplus Disorder

bkmk


37 posted on 10/25/2013 9:41:35 AM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Attention Surplus Disorder

2011 Census
108,592,000- recipients of one or more means-tested government benefit programs
101,716,000 - people who worked full-time
21,880,000 – of the 101,716,000 are Federal workers

He claims:
108,592,000+21,880,000 = 130,472,000 is the number of Big Gov voters
101,716,000 -21,880,000 = 79,836,000 Small Gov voters
39% Disparity in voting towards Big Gov

His solution is to cut back on taxes that are going to Big Gov by lowering the paying middle classes taxable income and trimming our necessities. Starve the beast and force the Big Gov voters back to work. With his percentages, I do not see this ever working, and to purposely remove initiative from people is not smart.

I don’t think we are too far gone yet.

My revised numbers:
30% of the 108,592,000 are retired patriots 32,577,600 Small Gov
10% of the Fed Workers 2,027,062 are Small Gov
65% of US Military is conservative (which is part of the 21,880,000 Federal Workers)
Total number of US Military = 2,475,967x65% = 1,609,379 Small Gov
30% of remaining people working full time will vote Big Gov 81,445,379 x30% = 24,433,614

Total Potential Voters
210,308,000

Gov Dole 108,592,000
Conserv 30% -32,577,600
Total 76,014,400.00

Fed Workers 21,880,000
10% Fed Work -2,027,062
65% US Military -1,609,379
Total 18,243,559

Remaing Full Time for Big Gov 81,445,379x30%
Total 24,433,614

76,014,400.00
18,243,559
24,433,614

118,691,573 Total Big Gov Voters

Total Potential Voters 210,308,000
Total Big Gov Voters -118,691,573
Total Small Gov Voters 91,616,427.00

A 23% Disparity. We have our work cut out for us.

My solution:
Get 30% of the 108,592,000 back to reality by having a job. This could shift the voting percentages 10% toward Small Gov, which would get us back on track.


50 posted on 10/25/2013 11:49:35 AM PDT by bondserv (God governs our reality and has seen fit to offer us a pardon.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Attention Surplus Disorder
Mathematical inevitability or not, this will probably be resolved in some unpredictable "black swan" scenario. As a side note on Drudge today for example, Iran announces 34 new nuclear sites in the works (while the US govt intentionally blows up its own national medical infrastructure). Obviously, "QE infinity" spells ultimate doom for the USA in any event.

Just continue to give me my Netflix ...

56 posted on 10/25/2013 12:38:27 PM PDT by omniscient
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Attention Surplus Disorder
There are visionaries. From Heinlein to Rodenberry, George Orwell to Ayn Rand, people who write the scripts of things to come.

Unfortunately, Rand and Orwell were accurate.

5.56mm

58 posted on 10/25/2013 1:10:53 PM PDT by M Kehoe
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson