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1 posted on 10/22/2013 12:47:19 PM PDT by BruceDeitrickPrice
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

What’s the big deal? My Doctor has been writing prescriptions for years in hieroglyphics.


2 posted on 10/22/2013 12:54:13 PM PDT by TaMoDee (Go Pack Go!)
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I believe this was known a the see/say method that was (briefly) thought to be superior the phonics. It was clearly one of the most disastrous fads in education.


3 posted on 10/22/2013 12:55:54 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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I went to school in the 1960s and we learned phonics. I don’t know how anyone can learn to read english without phonics. English is great, probably the greatest language of all, but spelling-wise it’s a disaster. I assume they don’t even have spelling contests in other languages.


4 posted on 10/22/2013 1:02:47 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

Bruce, you are absolutely brilliant.

Now here’s the worst horror story I ever heard regarding the reading problem in this country.

In the ‘80s two recently graduated doctors were camping in a national forest in Washington State and nearly burned it down. They read in their camping handbook that their garbage was to be “burned.” What? Nope, the word was “buried.”

This is the kind of mistake resulting from the reading system taught in our schools today - they don’t teach attention to details.

How would you like these guys to operate on you?


5 posted on 10/22/2013 1:04:36 PM PDT by Liberty Wins ( The average lefty is synapse challenged)
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1) Is this argument still going on? I understand their are some educators who still have an attachment to "look-say" or "whole language," but don't most schools of necessity devote time to phonics as well?

2) For argument's sake, why are we losing out the the Chinese (if we are in fact losing out to the Chinese)? Reading and writing "hieroglyphs" hasn't actually hurt them, has it?

7 posted on 10/22/2013 1:09:38 PM PDT by x
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That's what American public schools did circa 1930

In education, the progressive movement is the disintegration mode of thought.In progressive education, man is primarily an actor rather than a thinker and actions and the concrete have primacy over the abstract and thought. A child must learn by doing activities.In reading,the commitment to the concrete as against the abstract take the form of the whole word method rather than phonics.

The progressive program for the schools is not reform, but demolition of subjects, facts, lessons, texts, structure, intellect, teaching, and learning. Above all, the movement represents the equation of education with the perceptual level mentality. It is the anti-conceptual mentality embracing the pre-conceptual child and training him to remain in that state for life.

8 posted on 10/22/2013 1:20:55 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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I think phonics come first, then you begin to recognize the words and the inconsistencies.

I learned to speak quite a bit of Thai, then read some about 37 years ago. They don’t generally put spaces between the words, and sometimes they wrap compound vowel characters (I think it is) around a consonant. Consonants at the end of a word aren’t necessarily pronounced like they are in the beginning or middle of the word. The net result is that it is very difficult to discern any single word, or hieroglyph or whatever. But you almost have to pick it out or read back and forth. It works for them, though I don’t know if they’d win any speed reading contests.


10 posted on 10/22/2013 1:24:33 PM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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And the moral of the story is: if your child comes home with a list of sight-words to be memorized, send the child back with a copy of this article and a request for an Individualized Education Program that is based on phonics homeschool.

Fixed it.
12 posted on 10/22/2013 1:31:25 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

Phonics is essential, but not sufficient, because of the many parents and contributors to the English language. Our rich vocabulary comes at the expense of consistency, so some look-say is inevitable.

Think of the many simple words that are NOT spelled phonetically:

WAR
TWO
FOUR
MONDAY
DOG

etc.

This doesn’t include the MANY alternate phonetic pronunciations in some of our common words.

BOUGH/PLOUGH
COUGH
DOUGH
ROUGH/TOUGH

etc.

It is well worth the extra memorization, and I would not want to go to sterilizing efforts like some of the Scandinavian countries have to standardize the phonics and pronunciations. We speak, read and write in English. It has the world’s richest vocabulary, because its speakers shamelessly borrow from other countries, perhaps largely due to the centrality of international commerce and colonization during the formation of the modern language. It doesn’t hurt that England venerates her language and created the OED, which the French sneeringly call a museum. The French meant it as an insult, the English do not take it as one.


15 posted on 10/22/2013 1:41:40 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There's no salvation in politics.)
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Write the word in cursive and see what happens.
16 posted on 10/22/2013 1:52:06 PM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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Years ago, when my children were in grade school, I happened to see a workbook my neighbor's child had brought home (different school). The word "horse" had the outline of a horse drawn around it. Clearly the child was expected to learn the hieroglyphic for "horse," instead of sounding out the word. Nothing short of child abuse. I felt sorry for the child, and was glad mine were in a different school where they were learning phonics.
17 posted on 10/22/2013 1:53:16 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney ( book, RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY, available from Amazon.)
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Bizarre. Never heard of this.


19 posted on 10/22/2013 1:55:42 PM PDT by OldNewYork (Biden '13. Impeach now.)
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Turning English into a Hanja-like written language is just going to fail.


20 posted on 10/22/2013 1:58:59 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

Servant

I pray, sir, can you read?

ROMEO

Ay, mine own fortune in my misery.

Servant

Perhaps you have learned it without book: but, I
pray, can you read any thing you see?

ROMEO

Ay, if I know the letters and the language.

Servant

Ye say honestly: rest you merry!

ROMEO

Stay, fellow; I can read.

From “Romeo and Juliet”, William Shakespeare.


22 posted on 10/22/2013 2:04:30 PM PDT by NorthMountain
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Learning to read is terribly important and the average person I talk to doesn’t seem to realize this.

The low-information voters don’t read much, if at all. They put the U.S. in our current fix.

Data-entry people who work in hospitals make deadly mistakes every day because they can’t read or spell up to the requirements of the job.

Congress people don’t read their bills. The last congressman who read all the bills he signed was H.R.Gross who retired in the 70’s.

White House pretenders aren’t really smart. They know very little about economics, finances or even recent history. A little more reading in Hayek or Arthur Laffer would benefit our country, don’t you think?


23 posted on 10/22/2013 2:16:48 PM PDT by Liberty Wins ( The average lefty is synapse challenged)
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The rationalization for the look-say method is that adults do not sound out words. They know the words they read on sight or it would take them entirely too long to read anything. Also phonics is akin to rote memory and adults don’t do rote memory very well so we shouldn’t be forcing the less developed minds of children to do that, in reading or in anything else. Facts are a waste of space.


30 posted on 10/22/2013 3:12:55 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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I learned during the Zimmerman trial that this is what "English hieroglyphics" looks like.

-PJ

32 posted on 10/22/2013 3:18:39 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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Read this to your toddler. My son is now 14 and an excellent reader.

37 posted on 10/22/2013 7:29:34 PM PDT by CtBigPat (Free Republic - The grown-ups table of the internet.)
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