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Mr. Perkins is quite correct is assessing this "help the poor" situation.

Leave it to the government? That's evil and counter-productive.

1 posted on 10/16/2013 12:52:51 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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I agree. I believe in helping the poor and I do so out of Christian Charity for the love of God. When the government does so it is to enslave the recipients. They create a dependent class that will move heaven and earth to keep their checks and freebies coming.


2 posted on 10/16/2013 12:55:06 PM PDT by pgkdan
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I agree with Mr. Perkins and so did Davy Crockett and other statesmen.


3 posted on 10/16/2013 12:55:20 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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And shame on the Christians who have allowed the Government to usurp the rightful role of the community church(es).


4 posted on 10/16/2013 12:56:45 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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However, there is not one verse in the Bible that forbids any government from helping the poor.

Given that we're not a theocracy...so what?

5 posted on 10/16/2013 12:58:36 PM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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Precisely, I totally agree. Scripture does not say, “Put the government in charge of helping poor people with your money they way THEY see fit.” It leaves it up to our Free Will. AND there is no middle-man exec running things on the taxpayers’ dime either.


6 posted on 10/16/2013 12:59:12 PM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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because most of what the gov’t now does to help the poor, deeply hurts them.


7 posted on 10/16/2013 1:02:21 PM PDT by dadfly
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It’s quite easy to feel generous in helping the poor and needy with OTHER people’s money. And that’s what Liberals get, and want, the “feeling” that they are morally superior by helping “the less fortunate” via the government at essentially NO personal cost to them.


8 posted on 10/16/2013 1:02:37 PM PDT by Obadiah (I Like Ted.)
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There is no doubt that massive govt taxation and welfare is corrosive to Christian charity.


9 posted on 10/16/2013 1:03:11 PM PDT by nascarnation (Frequently wrong but rarely in doubt....)
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“For, indeed, although the socialists, stealing the very Gospel itself with a view to deceive more easily the unwary, have been accustomed to distort it so as to suit their own purposes, nevertheless so great is the difference between their depraved teachings and the most pure doctrine of Christ that none greater could exist: “for what participation bath justice with injustice or what fellowship hath light with darkness?”

—Pope Leo XIII, On Socialism

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/leo_xiii/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_28121878_quod-apostolici-muneris_en.html


10 posted on 10/16/2013 1:04:25 PM PDT by Claud
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Collective salvation is a lie. If anything its the exact opposite of salvation.

True salvation comes from a real personal desire to do good and doing it on a personal basis.

I’m not opposed to having a reasonable safety net for those who are truly needy but those numbers should be very small and certainly not federally funded.


11 posted on 10/16/2013 1:04:34 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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I dissagree. I see in scripture mandates to individuals, churches and yes, government to help the poor. That a mandate exist to individuals to help does not negate the mandate to the government.

Jerimiah 22 links the authority to the rule to considering the cause of the poor and needy.

Proverbs 31 tells king Lemuel to plead the cause of the poor and needy.

Dan 4:27 tells the king to show mercy to the poor and ties it to a "lengthening of tranquility".

Proverbs 29:14 also states that a king's rulership is tied to how he treats the poor.

If "we the people" want to continue to rule. "We the people" better take those warnings seriously in how we execute government responsibility.

13 posted on 10/16/2013 1:10:00 PM PDT by DannyTN
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Even if government charity actually helped the poor, it removes both the means and opportunity for an individual to receive the blessing gained from performing the charitable work.


14 posted on 10/16/2013 1:11:01 PM PDT by tnlibertarian (Shut 'er down and leave it.)
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Ping for later


15 posted on 10/16/2013 1:11:07 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

All very well and good. But I wonder what God thinks when Caesar DEMANDS and TAKES the things that are Gods? And does not allow us to render unto God.

He has brought down many evil and corrupt governments. I can only wonder how much longer God will tolerate the USA as they exploit the poor and persecute His children?

16 posted on 10/16/2013 1:11:17 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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Not sure Perkins is really saying what this article claims he said.


20 posted on 10/16/2013 1:14:23 PM PDT by CityCenter
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Let’s get this straight: coercion is never charity. For the government to coerce money out of people’s pockets to give to the poor is not charity. Christians give more to the poor than all the hypocritical progressives put together, as they should. But we should not stand back and let them say we are “against the poor” because we don’t agree with redistribution of wealth. “He who does not work, neither shall he eat”, Thessalonians 3:10. This is simply common sense. I know that the native people who lived where I do did not tolerate those who did not work.


22 posted on 10/16/2013 1:18:03 PM PDT by NotTallTex
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The real problem is that the federal govt uses the give-aways as a enticement or tool to trap and oppress them. It is not the giving, but the oppression and lack of justice and REAL compassion


23 posted on 10/16/2013 1:18:47 PM PDT by RatRipper (The political left are utterly evil and corrupt)
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Where does the donation go farther?

Through church or Salvation Army or through 7 layers of gubmint union bureacracy?


24 posted on 10/16/2013 1:18:47 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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I am not an absolutist on every secular issue - the legitimate role of government, but I can meet and agree with the FRC more than half way - that (a) charity should NOT be a primary function of government and (b) the first place, the largest place, the most common place for charity should not be to place it in the hands of government.

To suggest that the FIRST place, the most important place, the common place that citizens should VOTE to demand that charity come from, is government, cannot be a Christian suggestion that comes from Christ Jesus. To suggest that it is is akin to suggesting you could have heard Jesus preach to his followers to go and demand Ceasars sword so as to use Ceasars power (secular government) with which to go take from their fellow citizens what they thought they had a right to take - for “charity”.

From a Messiah who when offered the keys to the kingdoms of the earth - world secular power - and answered that offer by saying His kingdom is not of this earth, one cannot imagine that Messiah asking YOU to make ANY mission of Christian living, including Christian charity, a primary function of secular authority.

Governments do not take authority and responsibility of anything that they do not - to every extent they are allowed - take mastership over.

Many Christians have been taught an intellectial illusion. They will say, that when they vote for higher taxes to pay for some program the politicians are selling, they do so because “they think THEY should give more money for that purpose. The illusion ignores that in fact they are NOT voting that its right that THEY GIVE (taxes are not voluntary contributions), they ARE voting to TAKE FROM others. Next, they are given another illusion, that being a democracy makes it all different. In fact, at it’s basic sense a Democracy is no more than 51 out of 100 people telling the other 49 what to do - again, a matter of “we will take” NOT “I will give”. Nothing “Christian” in that.

Maybe it’s time all Christians re-register as “Amish” and obtain the opt-opt rights the Supreme Court has given to the Amish on many things. If things like electricity are an issue, maybe soomeone coild call themself “reformed” Amish (LOL).


30 posted on 10/16/2013 1:46:09 PM PDT by Wuli
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Government as a charity of benevolence is terror and a lie.


33 posted on 10/16/2013 1:54:56 PM PDT by lavaroise
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