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Ordinary Women: Wendy Lower Talks About ‘Hitler’s Furies’
New York Times ^ | October 14, 2013

Posted on 10/15/2013 2:49:04 PM PDT by nickcarraway

In “Hitler’s Furies,” recently placed on the long list for the National Book Award, Wendy Lower presents the harrowing evidence of crimes committed by German women during the Holocaust. Dwight Garner wrote that previous books “have offered up poster girls of brutality and atrocity” and “Ms. Lower’s revisionist insight is to track more mundane lives, and to argue for a vastly wider complicity.” In a recent e-mail interview, Ms. Lower discussed the changing view of women’s role in the Nazi regime, the challenges of writing for a non-academic audience, what she found most shocking in her research and more. Below are edited excerpts from the conversation:

Q. What did you discover that most surprised you while researching and writing the book?

A.

I had read about the cruelties of male perpetrators in militarized killing units, such as the “ordinary men” Christopher Browning wrote about, but the settings and forms of violence perpetrated by German women surprised and puzzled me. Of course we know that women can be violent, but how does one explain someone like Liesel Willhaus, who killed Jews for sport from her balcony with her child at her side?

(Excerpt) Read more at artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Books/Literature; History
KEYWORDS: christopherbrowning; dwightgarner; germany; holocaust; lieselwillhaus; pages; theholocaust; thirdreich; trudekorner; wendylower
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To: RedMonqey
It's damned easy to condemn those without the benefit of hindsight.

Especially if you've been indoctrinated with moral equivalency teachings.
21 posted on 10/15/2013 3:41:00 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: nickcarraway

6+


22 posted on 10/15/2013 3:43:34 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Mastador1
the Japanese were just as horrible as the Germans in the mistreatment of conquered peoples(nothing like the mass murder of the Jews)

Actually they were worse.

Some people have a deep seated need to believe themselves superior. To be a superior you must have inferiors. When that kind of madness grips a whole nation then you have hell on earth.

23 posted on 10/15/2013 3:47:29 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: MotorCityBuck

Answer: because the six million Jews killed was a unique attempt at extermination of a people and their culture. It pretty much succeeded in Poland, Hungary and Germany.


24 posted on 10/15/2013 3:52:40 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Ask the folks in Nanking.


25 posted on 10/15/2013 3:56:35 PM PDT by az wildkitten (8 years 'til I retire)
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To: James C. Bennett

I guess you kind of a bigot. 6 Million is the number of Jews who were killed. 13 million was the total number. Some people think all the deaths were a crime.


26 posted on 10/15/2013 3:59:16 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: az wildkitten
One of the places I was thinking about.

I really don't understand people.

27 posted on 10/15/2013 4:02:35 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: nickcarraway

Women can, and have been, many of the most horrible “true believers”. And even when victims, cling to false hopes...

Eugenia Ginzburg documented her 18 years in the Stalinist Gulags in “Journey Into the Whirlwind”, and supposed it would not be published until the 80’s. But when she knew it would be in the late 60’s she concluded in it... “How wonderful that I was mistaken and that the great Leninist truths have again come into their own in our country and party!”


28 posted on 10/15/2013 4:06:19 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: GraceG

Our government has done some horrible things but to try and equate that to what was done by the Nazis and Japanese, let alone the Russians, Turks and so many others is insulting! Go fling your feces where it belongs.


29 posted on 10/15/2013 4:18:48 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Mastador1

Our government has done some horrible things but to try and equate that to what was done by the Nazis and Japanese, let alone the Russians, Turks and so many others is insulting! Go fling your feces where it belongs.

All those horrible thing started with Government power and the dehumanization of others in fringe groups..


30 posted on 10/15/2013 4:30:38 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: RedMonqey

Nobody’s hands are so clean...

Andrew Jackson, The Progressives of the early 20th century with their family eugenics courts, not to mention the atrocity of Abortion by the modern progressives.

We are Nation stained with blood as well, and usually the crime was done as “for the good of the many, we must sacrifice a few”...

That never ends well..

Ever.


31 posted on 10/15/2013 4:35:59 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: nickcarraway

Not to be confused with Ernst Roehm and Hitler’s Fairies.


32 posted on 10/15/2013 4:37:04 PM PDT by RichInOC ("SQUAAAAAAAAD! CAMP IT! UP!")
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To: kabumpo

Unique in the begginging maybe as the first Target. However every one would have had thier turn in the barrel,as in Any State Goverment is God.


33 posted on 10/15/2013 4:55:23 PM PDT by MotorCityBuck ( Keep the change, you filthy animal! ,)
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To: a fool in paradise

Amen. Genocide is a human endevor. Sadly.


34 posted on 10/15/2013 4:56:57 PM PDT by MotorCityBuck ( Keep the change, you filthy animal! ,)
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To: MotorCityBuck

No, you quite miss the point.


35 posted on 10/15/2013 5:14:00 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: RedMonqey

“Germans could just as easily point the finger of blame to Americans for four hundred years of genocide, rape and slavery.”

So could liberals in this country.


36 posted on 10/15/2013 6:11:50 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: cripplecreek

Is that the doc that uses all the home movie footage and stuff like that? We watched one like that and it was excellent, fascinating really.

One part that really struck me was a diary entry from a 14 year old Austrian girl about the day the Germans “invaded” Austria. She wrote about how the day before the Austria flag had been on the various buildings, etc. but immediately it was replaced by the Nazi flag and also the people had the nazi flag on their houses and they were waving little one in the streets.

Where did they get all those flags so quickly, she wondered. They must have had them prepared for the purpose.

Of course she was right, but I wonder how many adults thought about that.


37 posted on 10/15/2013 6:37:59 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: jocon307

I’m still sending that video out to “confused and frightened” liberals at least once per week.

There are too many similarities for them to deny.


38 posted on 10/15/2013 6:40:44 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: a fool in paradise

bump


39 posted on 10/15/2013 6:42:43 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: cripplecreek
Especially if you've been indoctrinated with moral equivalency teachings.

Respectfully disagree.

It's uncomfortable to admit one's history has a few skeletons in one's closet(as an Southerner know)

Just giving a complete reading of history.

It is I and many others who accepts history with all it's flaws and refuse to continue the PC parade to flog the Germans as history's bogeyman and do not paper over them as one atrocity vs. another..
I should have added that Hitler had a partner in his starting WW2 whose atrocities outdone the Nazi's and seems to escape modern historians.

Of course, I mean Stalin and Communism.

One could add Mao's "Great Leap Forward" and Pol Pot to the long list of human tragedies that "historians" ignor in favor of dredging old news in a slightly different perspective....


40 posted on 10/16/2013 7:55:18 AM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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