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Where's Craig Kimbrel? Not in the game (Oct. Baseball Live Thread)
ESPN ^ | October 8, 2013 | David Schoenfield

Posted on 10/08/2013 10:04:36 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT

Craig Kimbrel is supposedly the heir to Mariano Rivera. In his postseason career as closer, Rivera recorded 27 appearances of 2+ innings.

Uribe bunted two balls foul, ... and then tomahawked a high fastball from David Carpenter into left-field stands for a shocking two-run homer ....

Note that I wrote "David Carpenter" and not "Craig Kimbrel."

The Braves had to win this game. Lose, and they go home. Somehow they lost -- in the late innings, no less -- without using the most dominant relief pitcher in the game.

The sad thing is, Gonzalez apparently didn't even think of using Kimbrel for two innings. "I think six outs isn't something we were even talking about in the dugout," he said after the game.

But what’s the difference between four outs and six outs? Six pitches? Ten pitches? And that doesn’t even factor in that the Dodgers had the 5-6-7 hitters due up in the eighth and the 8-9-1 hitters up in the ninth.

So instead you lost a game with a guy who had a 6.07 ERA last year for the Houston Astros.

... ".. I want the ball." We'll see if Kimbrel confirms that, but even if he didn't say that, his look of disgust, standing there with his hands on his hips, will haunt Braves fans all winter.

This should be covered in Managing 101. ... Who cares if it's the seventh inning or the eighth inning or the ninth. I'd rather lose with Carpenter in the ninth inning or the 10th inning or whenever ...

Look, managing your bullpen in a structured manner in the regular season is one thing.

October is not the regular season.

Fredi Gonzalez didn't think the best reliever in the game can get six outs.

He ended up getting none.

(Excerpt) Read more at espn.go.com ...


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LIVE BASEBALL THREAD FOR THIS WEEK ... and beyond Regarding Kimbrel: Below is Mariano's game log for OCT 2003, less frequent appearances than regular season, but mostly 2 innings.

In the Grady_Little-Pedro-AaronBoone_HR game 7, Mariano went 3 innings, 48 pitches, facing 11 batters.

Which game did he enter in the 7th inning ?

1 posted on 10/08/2013 10:04:36 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT
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To: campaignPete R-CT

2003 Mariano game log
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5400/gamelog;_ylt=AhWWGVuVWCKXip1phgyWe2CFCLcF?year=2003

2003 game 7 vs Sox, boxscore

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore?gid=231016110


2 posted on 10/08/2013 10:05:57 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (WWLD? What would LaRussa do?)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

The Braves, The Buffalo Bills of Baseball.

Good luck with the Upton Bros in your outfield for the next 7 years


3 posted on 10/08/2013 10:10:26 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

I amso tickedat Fredi right now that i cant see straight

We need a new manager! One with fire in his belly


4 posted on 10/08/2013 10:10:35 AM PDT by Dacula
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Red Sox fan here-—you just ruined my day.

Grady Little-—the stuff of nightmares.

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5 posted on 10/08/2013 10:15:05 AM PDT by Mears (Liberalism is the art ot being easily offended.)
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To: Dacula

The Braves were looking for an heir to Bobby Cox. What they got was an heir to Bobby Cox. Best regular season record in the NL. Bumped in the first round.


6 posted on 10/08/2013 10:15:21 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: qam1

Oakland goes with Dan Straily, rookie RHP today ... he’s been excellent in his last 6 starts. Has not pitched in 13 days.

Is Verlander available out of the pen for DET in an emergency today for a few innings?


7 posted on 10/08/2013 10:15:51 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (WWLD? What would LaRussa do?)
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To: campaignPete R-CT
Not nearly as IDIOTIC as Mattingly putting YOU'LL-BE-SORRY-O (BELISARIO) IN THE GAME!!!!!

The Dodgers won DESPITE Belisario! Uribe is the LION KING!


8 posted on 10/08/2013 10:24:58 AM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (If Americans were as concerned for their country as Egyptians are, Obama would be ousted!)
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To: Mears

Mears, who is Grady_Little?

Red Sox (RHP Jake Peavy) @ Rays (RHP Jeremy Hellickson) 8:37 pm ET

If Rays are going with Price in game 5, LHP Moore and RHP Archer are both available out the pen today. Hellickson was HORRIBLE in September.

commentary from “eric mvan”:
“Hellickson’s season breaks down neatly into four chunks.

First, an absolutely bipolar phase of 14 starts, four great, ten awful: game scores of 71 (against us) and 76 back-to-back in his 2nd and 3rd starts, and 69 in each of his 10th and 13th starts, but 21 to 46 in the others. Overall ERA, 5.67.

Next, a 7 game stretch with a 2.07 ERA. That one started against us.

Then a 6 game stretch with a 9.00 ERA. His best game score in this stretch, 44, is worse than his worst in the previous, 49.

Finally, September, with a very good start against the Angels, a meh one against us, and bad ones against the Rangers and Blue Jays. His ERA as a starter was 5.50, so this may be the same as phase 1.

That they’re going with him suggests that they have some saberemtric reasons why they think he matches up well against us.

I have to do some errands, but when I get back I’ll try to run the components and BABIP luck analyses on those stretches (including separating out the good from the bad of the bipolar phases to see if they match the good and bad stretches) and maybe even look at some pitch/fx data.”

http://forum.soxprospects.com/thread/1320/red-rays-alds-game-thread

“It seems to me that the Rays could well start Hellickson and dump him for Moore at some point early in the game to turn the entire Redsox lineup around. The Redsox are designed for platooning in order to optimize performance. This approach can be used against them in this instance and I bet it will. They hopefully put up some good numbers against Hellickson early.”


9 posted on 10/08/2013 10:25:30 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (WWLD? What would LaRussa do?)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Jose Lobaton of the Rays had Koji Uehara of the Red Sox stunned with disbelief. It was an amazing hit and finish of the game.


10 posted on 10/08/2013 10:26:27 AM PDT by pallis
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To: qam1
It's an honor for a pro sports team to be compared to those great Bills teams.

As far as the Braves are concerned, the second youngest team in the playoffs, the future looks good considering they won over ninety games this year with four of their top pitchers injured and carrying two regulars with under .200 batting averages. It's hard to imagine the Braves luck not being a lot better next year.

11 posted on 10/08/2013 10:27:44 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Ha Ha Atlanta!! I didn’t want to see the Dodgers win in particular but I was willing to pay ggod money to the Atlana bums kicked out of post season contention!


12 posted on 10/08/2013 10:29:13 AM PDT by pgkdan
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To: dfwgator; pallis; Jacquerie; AlmaKing; swpa_mom; GOPsterinMA; Impy; cripplecreek; ...

ALDS and NLDS ping


13 posted on 10/08/2013 10:34:52 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (WWLD? What would LaRussa do?)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
Belisario is unlikely to see any important playing time for the rest of the playoffs. Possibly Paco Rodriguez as well, these two have slumped since mid-September.

JP Howell and Chris Withrow have done better.

14 posted on 10/08/2013 10:37:17 AM PDT by chrisinoc
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Thanks for your expertise-—keep me updated.

Sigh !!!!

“Perhaps. But it doesn’t feel good at this moment. This was the Red Sox’ first postseason walkoff loss since the Aaron Boone/Grady Little game of 2003.

Gulp.” (Dan Shaugnessy-Globe)

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/10/07/crushing-loss-for-red-sox-against-rays/wh0xCcupD8x6CcxBeEpg7N/story.html


15 posted on 10/08/2013 10:38:52 AM PDT by Mears (Liberalism is the art ot being easily offended.)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

¡Mauro speaks!


16 posted on 10/08/2013 10:40:20 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (You're a very weird person, Yossarian.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
As far as the Braves are concerned, the second youngest team in the playoffs, the future looks good considering they won over ninety games this year with four of their top pitchers injured and carrying two regulars with under .200 batting averages.

Right, 'cuz no other teams have young or injured players.

We'll see you next Choptober.

17 posted on 10/08/2013 10:49:58 AM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (Proportionally, Ft. Hood is to Ft. Worth as Washington Navy Yard is to Arlington, VA.)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Like Hanley said, Fredi was never in the big leagues, and it shows in his decisions .


18 posted on 10/08/2013 10:56:20 AM PDT by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: chrisinoc
You forgot Brian Wilson. He's on fire lately and will blaze by just about any batter in these upcoming games. Jansen is the best closer I've ever seen (other than 100+ mph Aroldis Chapman).

I think the Dodger players respect Mattingly because he's been in their shoes and has that to back his words. He makes mistakes with pitchers though but the team wins in spite of that.

20 posted on 10/08/2013 11:32:05 AM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (If Americans were as concerned for their country as Egyptians are, Obama would be ousted!)
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