Posted on 09/29/2013 12:57:58 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
The Republicans are colluding with the Democrats to “delay” Obamacare until January 2015 and thereby give the Obama regime a chance to smooth out the wrinkles so it “works right”. The delay will also keep the issue from hurting the rats too much during the coming year's 2014 mid-term election campaign.
Do some people actually believe that a "delay" is in any way a "win" for Republicans?
In return for giving the rats another year-plus to deepen the roots of their communist healthcare and get it working smoother, the Republicans will cave on the debt ceiling. What a deal.
Wow, are we ever being played.
Food stamps I was referring more to GOP initiatives on the state level like Indiana and Michigan that have cut expenditures by 4 billion (I believe). In addition, the House also voted to slash SNAP benefits on the national level although it won’t be able to overcome a presidential veto. So the mini trend is encouraging. Fewer disability applications are also being approved.
Here is my post from Saturday a week ago:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3068188/posts?page=79#79
Okay, yes. The efforts being made at the state level by (most) Republican governors and legislatures is encouraging.
The GOP will run against Obamacare in 2016. So will Hillary, if only to take attention away from Benghazi and her role in Obama's failed foreign policy. Hillary will run on the reprise of her 1993 socialized healthcare scheme (single payer).
No I don’t know what you mean. A LOT of people are scared spitless by what they’re seeing happening including Jimmy Hoffa. He wants exemptions for the union. People are panicked. Are you insulated? Don’t you know anyone that’s been touched by the threat of Obamacare? Go see Grahams FB page. He’s getting hammered. So are others.
My poor husband had the awful job of informing 40 hourly employees they'd no longer be covered by the companies awesome health care plan. My husband had to try to get them to sign up for health care welfare, and they were furious! They said they were not going to do it. My poor husband had to be the one to tell them they'd be fined if they didn't, and they said they weren't going to pay that either. You can imagine how they reacted when my husband told them the government would take their money anyway - they'd simply take their fine payment out of their tax returns, so they had no choice but to obey.
He also reminded them that elections have consequences. obomacare is one of them.
The Democrats want O-Care to hit after the next mid term election cycle. If it hits before, they will lose a lot of seats.
Most (if not all) of the Republicans know this.
The $50,000 question is “What’s in it for the GOP?”
To answer your question directly; yes, I know a lot of people who are scared of the threat of 0bamaCare but no one who has actually had to sign up for it or deal with the IRS over it. The real pain of it hasn't even begun for most people.
If they can fix it in a year of delay, they can fix it in a year of operation. Just like social security, it cannot be fixed. It is flawed and yet another pyramid scheme.
I feel for your Hubby. Had to be tough on him.
Roger that. But this delay will not happen. The GOP may extract some price, like end of congressional carve outs, but we will have to wait to 2017 to kill it.
We have been played by both parties for decades. Nothing new and few see it clearly as you do.
That’s why the GOPe is so hostile to the TEA Party and why Rove did everything he could to undercut conservative candidates even if his chosen one lost the primary.
"I think I see how this ends: Ubama and the rats will agree to "delay" implementation for everybody else the way they already delayed it for corporations and other special interests."
Sounds like you are talking mandates. Employer mandates, or more correctly the taxes to be incurred by not following them, are the only thing that has been "delayed" by Obama.
Yeah. He dreaded doing it. Those people have families to care for, too.
The companies health care plan was really quite cheap for them. The company has always been family oriented, but the additional obomacost to the company for their Cadillac plans made it way too much. The company had to let them go. What else could they do? They'd go out of business with an additional expense like that.
The salaried people still get to keep their plans, because the upper level people are harder to replace. We get to keep ours (so far) - thank God.
That's a good question and, IMO, I do a pretty good job of explaining it in this post from another thread:
Title: DELAY OBAMACARE A YEAR OR WE WILL SHUT IT DOWN - BOEHNER MAKES MOVEThe above-linked Tao of Republican Orthodoxy brochure puts it in a satirical light, showing how the party pushes losers like Romney and villains like McCain as winners and heroes, and is complicit in the sort of idolatry of state-worship/statism because they crave power. They really, as a party, could not care less about the Constitution or Justice or morality — arguably even less-so than the Democratic Party: the Democratic Party at least strives for its goals and doesn't hold its base in utter contempt.Question: can we trust Boehner to stand firm?
>> The delay isn't a complete cave. One year expires October 1, 2014, just a little more than a month before the next election.
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> Wrong. The delay will be the requirement to have insurance by January 1, 2015, after the next election cycle. The October 1st date is the opening of the exchanges. In other words, the democrats won't have to eat this monstrocity until the 2016 elections, when it will be too late to turn back. The majority of companies will have already abandoned provisions for provided health insurance to their employees, and the only "reasonable" fix will be single payer (socialized medicine). Nice going Republicans.Ah, but the problem you have is that you don't understand: the Republicans want the corrupt/illegitimate power and tools that the Democrats are using… this is why there has been no vigorous pursuance of the IRS-scandal, the NSA-scandal, the Benghazi-scandal, or the Fast & Furious state-sponsored terrorism incident. It is why, for virtually all of the Republican-party's platform planks, the party never pursues them: financial accountability would force them to relinquish power, lessened tax-burdens (via simplification/normalization of the tax-code) would be surrendering corporate influence and power, illegalizing abortion would mean that they could not use abortion to feed the moral indignation of its base for votes, repeal of the GCA and/or NFA would mean that they could not use the fear of gun-grabbing quite as easily, and so on and so forth.
No, the Republican party perceives that it is best benefited by saying it is against the Democrats, but allowing most of what the Democrats want to pass: in the end, this grants them power, whereas fighting and failing would reduce them to political nothings which is their greatest fear. Thus it is that every Democrat win is really a Republican win, this is
The Tao of Republican Orthodoxy
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playedis both putting it gently and massive understatement.
No. DC will panic (or pretend they are) and their excuse will be saving the economy. And Americans aren't rejecting Obamacare because it's too socialist. They're rejecting it because it's a mess. It isn't just the original "Tea Party" that are up in arms.
The real pain of it hasn't even begun for most people.
You need to talk to more people. Most families that I know have either had members lose insurance coverage or have their hours cut.
Talk about between a rock a hard place................
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