Posted on 09/10/2013 8:06:26 PM PDT by Morgana
31 year old Brent Girouex was arrested on 60 counts of suspicion of sexual exploitation by a counselor or therapist.
The former youth counselor told police he did it to “help with homosexual urges by praying while he had sexual contact with [them]."
He claimed the acts would give his victims "sexual purity."
Making matters even worse, Girouex has four children of his own and now his estranged wife Erin is speaking out against him now.
Girouex admitted having sexual relations with at least four young men but as many as eight have now stepped forward claiming abuse.
The man told cops one of his relationships lasted four years and there was "mutual" contact 25 to 50 times.
(Excerpt) Read more at krmg.com ...
NO JAIL TIME???? The world is really going to hell!
Brent Girouex was a pastor at "Victory Fellowship Church" (formerly "Southside Pentecostal Church"), which raises an interesting point. Back in 2008, I did a study of all of the "Protestant" abuse cases that Catholics were posting about, and I broke them down by denomination / affiliation / beliefs. I found that the more free will / Arminian / synergistic their theology was, and the more independent their association was (as opposed to having denominational affiliation), the higher their abuse ratios went. More interestingly, when I looked at the "Reformed" denominations, the converse was true - the number of "Protestant" abuse cases statistically fell off the chart. All together, the average of all abuse cases for "Protestant" pastors only came to around 1%, but when isolated by affiliation, the most independent churches had ratios that were far, far higher than the Catholic priestly abuse average of 4%
Oh, and Morgana / nanetteclaret, I was there when the Girouex news first hit in 2011. No pain was caused by the posting of this thread. You'll have to try harder, if that's your intent.
Not to toot the horn of my denomination(PCA) too loudly, that’s probably because our belief in the total depravity of man means every pastor needs to have others hold him accountable. If one is more independent, Arminian, and feelings oriented in his theology, I can see how easily one call fall into sin with no accountability.
That's how it works, people. Right theology has practical applications!
I’ve read there’s already a movement afoot in the APA to start “destigmatizing” pedophilia.
looks like a PC sort of church...
This person needs to die painfully
This is insane, are they slowly defacto decriminalizing this behavior? That guy in Montana got 30 days.
I think soon we might need real justice for these judges
“If one is more independent, Arminian, and feelings oriented in his theology, I can see how easily one call fall into sin with no accountability.”
Ding ding ding we have a winner!!
praying? no he was preying
delenda est...
Now.
http://www.snapnetwork.org/news/baptist/baptist_churches_vulnerable.htm
Baptist Churches More Vulnerable to Clergy Sex Abuse, Experts Say
By Hannah Elliott - Associated Baptist Press
Published: January 23, 2007
DALLAS (ABP) — A recent sex scandal involving two North Texas pastors and the women who accused them of molestation is unusual because the victims — by now beyond the statute of limitations for sex-abuse cases — urged authorities and media to publish their names in conjunction with the case.
Typically, the names of sex-abuse victims are not publicized in an effort to spare the victim more emotional trauma. But Katherine Roush and Debbie Vasquez agreed to be identified in order to call attention to an increasingly prominent scathe of clergy sex-abuse cases in Baptist churches.
Larry Reynolds of Southmont Baptist Church in Denton, Texas, and Dale Amyx of Bolivar Baptist Church in Sanger, Texas, were accused in separate civil lawsuits of molesting Roush and Vasquez, respectively, during counseling sessions when the girls were 14 years old. The abuse continued for several years, according to charges.
Had the women, now adults, reported the molestation at the time of the crime, each man could have faced first-degree felony charges. In juvenile cases, victims can report a crime until 10 years after their 18th birthday.
Instead of the possible life sentence that would have gone with his felony charge, Reynolds issued an apology at a church Thanksgiving banquet as part of a settlement agreement. His suit was settled out of court. Vasquez’s lawsuit has yet to be resolved.
Sex-abuse charges like the ones in North Texas have become increasingly common, with cases in Missouri, Kentucky and Florida making regional and national news. And some experts have said Baptist churches may be particularly vulnerable to this kind of abuse.
Inappropriate behavior by clergy cuts across all denominational ties and theological positions, ethicist Joe Trull said. But he says a case can be made that “nondenominational churches and Baptist churches who have autonomous church government are more vulnerable and susceptible” to instances of sexual abuse.
“In a sense, every one of these situations has certain commonalities,” he said. “But on the other hand, each one has its own unique face. In a sense, they’re all different, but in a sense, they’re all alike.”
The editor of Christian Ethics Today, Trull co-wrote Ministerial Ethics in 2004 and taught Christian ethics at New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary.
“Possibly if you looked at the statistics, I think there would be a higher incidence [in nondenominational and Baptist churches] because of a lack of accountability,” he said. “[Pastors there] have not been prepared by their denomination. There is still that attitude in seminaries and colleges that prepare these pastors that they’re on their own. It’s that CEO mentality. And the thing that grieves me is that there’s absolutely no sense of how this [misconduct] affects other ministers and churches.”
While Presbyterians, Methodists and other Protestant denominations have “spelled-out” obligations for ministerial ethics, Baptist clergy lack a code of ethics to which they can be held accountable.
“In other denominations, [pastors] know that if charges are brought, truth will win out,” Trull said. “Doctors and psychologists know if they are caught, they will lose their credentials and there will probably be a malpractice suit. Most Baptists and nondenominational ministers know that ‘If I get caught, I can move to California and start a new church.’”
The increased instances of sex-abuse stories in the news may not necessarily mean it’s happening more than in prior decades. It often means people are simply talking about it more openly, according to some experts. And victims like Rouse and Vasquez have encouraged others to come forward with their own stories of abuse.
Studies documenting the trend consistently find that roughly 12 percent of ministers have engaged in sexual intercourse with congregants. The Journal of Pastoral Care reported in a 1993 survey that 14 percent of Southern Baptist senior pastors had engaged in “sexual behavior inappropriate for a minister.” In a 1988 study commissioned by Christianity Today, 17 percent of pastors surveyed admitted to having sexual contact with a counselee.
Lee Orth, chairman of the litigation committee at First Baptist Church in Greenwood, Mo., recently helped his church wade through a sex abuse case of its own. A long-time Presbyterian, Orth said the lack of a clear chain of command in Baptist churches means reports of abuse often go overlooked.
“Any time you don’t have to report to anyone what is going on, the chances for abuse are going to occur,” Orth said. “Strangely enough, Baptists are so big on following the Bible exactly, but they completely ignore the part about having elders and deacons [to help lead the church].”
Pastors must be exceedingly clear in understanding who they’re accountable to and who reports to whom, he said. If more Baptist pastors knew they had to meet regularly with a central body or accountability board, they would be less likely to commit the abuse.
“I really think that the autonomy is part of the problem,” he said. “I think there is too much that is put into the hands of the preacher. What you’ve got is a lot of little popes sitting out there, and they’re infallible, and they know what the word is. It’s almost like little kings, little fiefdoms.”
Another situation that can lead to sex abuse is a false sense of security people have when it comes to churches, Robert Leslie, a detective with the Greenwood Police Department, said. It’s something sometimes neglected by personnel committees that receive little oversight from outside sources.
Church leaders and parents must demand due diligence when checking the background and references of anyone working around children, he said.
“Churches have always been a place where everybody trusts everybody,” he said. “Everybody feels safe there. If you think about it, what better place for a predator to go?”
Megachurches in particular can attract the “charismatic, predator-type” minister who repeatedly takes advantage of the power he has over congregants, especially emotionally vulnerable women. The advantage of being a solitary figure at the head of a group brings opportunities for moral failure. Although the number of congregants is high on the weekends, many megachurch pastors lead relatively isolated lives with few, if any, close friends.
“[Pastors of] megachurches and growing Baptist churches are the types that go for predator abuse,” Trull said. “They tend to be loners. They don’t have close friends to keep them accountable.”
The imbalance of power between pastors and victims also plays a large part in the relationship. Bruce Prescott, executive director of Mainstream Oklahoma Baptists, said the abuse often isn’t about sex at all. It’s about power.
A former police officer, Prescott has counseled many victims of sexual abuse and found that the perpetrator often has an unhealthy view of power, sex and social interaction.
“What outrages me is when a church doesn’t do something,” Prescott said. “That’s outrageous. You perpetuate that. Somebody has got stop it, because if you don’t there will be other victims. Somebody has got to accept the responsibility to get [the predator] off the street or get them help.”
What needs to be done, others stress, is to educate seminarians, enlighten congregations, establish codes of conduct, and publish complete lists of pastors guilty of sexual infractions — no small task for autonomous Baptist churches.
Christa Brown, an attorney from Austin, Texas, insists that Baptist leaders would not let autonomy delay action if they truly cared about protecting children from abuse.
Brown works with the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, an organization of clergy sexual-abuse survivors. She maintains www.stopbaptistpredators.org and has asked the Baptist General Convention of Texas to hire independent experts to investigate sexual-abuse cases within the convention.
SNAP volunteers have also petitioned BGCT leaders to publish a confidential file that lists clergy members guilty of inappropriate sexual behavior.
If a Baptist minister is convicted of an indecency or confesses to one, church leaders can report the act. Other churches can have access to the file if they submit an official request. But the information is not published.
BGCT leaders say the file is proof they’re doing more than other Baptist groups in trying to stop sexual abuse. Indeed, the BGCT is the only Baptist group publicly to acknowledge having such a file.
Oklahoma’s Prescott said church people should be concerned whenever any kind of sexual problem emerges. They have a responsibility to other churches to make that problem public knowledge, but the effectiveness of a master file of offenders depends on the integrity of those making the list, he said.
Trull seconded the call for a list, saying that anyone convicted of sexual abuse or declared guilty by the church should be on a “readily available” list. Even a periodic news bulletin of offenders sent to churches might be in order, he added.
“Too often, people opt to do nothing out of fear,” Trull said. “I personally think the Baptist convention has got to find some way of making it more accessible, in light of the crucial nature of this problem and the devastating effect on these churches. It is hurting the convention, it is hurting income. [They] have got to do something.”
Trull supports creating a code of ethics in Baptist life. Baptists are “really, really weak” on codes of conduct — “a lot of young ministers today don’t have the foggiest idea of ethical expectations, not just sexual but financial,” Trull said. He added that the training should start before young ministers enter a church.
As a professor, Trull had his students write their own code of ethics and list of obligations to model what they might present to church deacons later in life. Incorporating clauses that require doors with windows and more than one adult present with children and that prohibit closed doors, hugs and prolonged counseling sessions can be included in that code agreement, he said.
New ministers need to know their limitations too, especially as counselors. Lengthy counseling sessions required over a long period of time should often be left to a professional counselor, he said.
Churches should also take the initiative to enact well-publicized and non-negotiable policies for dealing with sexual misdeeds before they even happen. Even with the best of intentions, tragedies can happen unless common sense procedures are enacted in a church, said Orth, the Missouri layman.
Prescott agreed. He’s seen what can happen when congregations don’t know or don’t understand the precursors for sex abuse. When the church doesn’t know how to respond after the fact, the toll is even greater.
“Congregations themselves need to have some sort of understanding of these things,” he said. “The churches have a responsibility when they know that they’ve got someone [with a history of inappropriate sexual behavior] to not just release them but they have a responsibility to other Christians and other churches to make sure that person gets whatever help is needed.”
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I studied too! It appears the Protestants don’t have good record keeping and just send the offending pastor to another church and silence the victim as quick as possible. In fact with the case of Trinity Baptist Church which I posted here to FR they go as far as blame the victim and make her apologize to the whole church. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3057506/posts
I guess you just filter what you read, because the information I get tells me every religion has this problem.
I even found 9 rapists in a Mennonite community! This one has shocked me the most so far. These men were cunning and skillful in their rapes. It went on for 4 years and no one believed the women. http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Americas/2011/0821/In-Bolivia-rape-trial-pries-open-closed-society-of-Mennonite-Old-Colonies
This was an “Old Colony” too! Just goes to show what sickness goes on behind closed doors and how far even these people will go to cover it up. Just evil.
Since I never hear you condemn the actions of protestant offenders I assume you feel it’s okay.
I find the need to condemn sex offenders no matter what their religion. However because of this date I must admit I am harsher on Muslims than all other religions.
Caipirabob I don’t even want to know what that picture is all about.
I have not had my coffee yet and it is messing with my brain.
Well lookee there! Where have we read this before?
You really did not read what I posted because you did not condemn what the people did.
Really? Really really?
HEY ! This is the same way of thinking as the Muslim Clerics have passed down to men. And like the Muslims who do this, there’s no jail time.
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