Posted on 09/10/2013 3:06:04 AM PDT by nikos1121
I’ve been thinking about this all night...It doesn’t make sense to me. Does anyone else feel the same way I do?
Putin is very very quick, almost too quick, to offer the INternational control of weapons IMMEDIATELY after Kerry’s faux Paux. Why?
I don't think in the least that he fears Obama, or even respects the man as his equal. So why would he make an offer that on the surface will ultimately make Obama look good esp in the eyes of the media, and make him looks like he caved to Obama's threats?
Anyone over the age of 40 kows that the Russians are and always will be liars. They will promise anything to get what they want.
I say this whole thing is set up to expose Obama for the phony he is in this matter. It is not an offer made by a man who fears Obama. To the contrary, I believe that it's an empty offer that intends to ultimately embarrass Obama in the media even more so than he has been.
Think about this. The administration at first says Kerry's comments were rhetorical, giving us the idea that Kerry messed up, but then pundits spin this to sound like Obama got the Russians to do this, and now Obama is taking credit for it. Hillary steps in too.
Makes no sense. Sounds to me like a sly move by Putin that in the end will undermine Obama even more.
I can't help but think that Putin is toying with us, and Obama and company are falling right into it. Why would the Russians be afraid of Obama esp when he says this is going to be an extremely small bombing.
So why did he offer this?
Let’s think this through. WHy would Putin make this offer, unless his intelligence has made it very clear that Obama is using the chemical weapons as a pretense to rally support to bomb Syria and support the MB fight against Syria.
I think that PUtin knows it's got nothing to do with chemical weapons, and to prove it he immediately offers to take that issue off the table.
Now the ball is back in Obama’s court and the MSM can applaud him as there should no longer be an issue for war. The media already are saying Obama is the smartest guy in the room. He got the Russians to cave without firing a shot. Game should be over, right?
WRONG. The Saudi’s, Obama etc want regime change in Syria. It’s not about dying babies and chemical weapons. It’s about regime change and supporting the MB. Same game as in Libya and Egypt.
Boy, I would think Obama is fuming about this. NOw he's called out by the Russians and there's again no where to hide for him. If the Russians and Syrians say we're removing the weapons, the whole matter should be over.
So the Russians figure Obama will back off on his threat to bomb. What will the Russians do? They can spin this all they want for as long as they want. I predict that they will take their fine time on this. Weeks, months maybe a year. Hahahaha.
Why do I picture Putin over there with this big grin on his face. He's thinking, I'll not only beat Obama on any battle field because I know that man is a coward, but I'll beat him in the social media as well.
Does anyone actually believe that Assad will destroy his chemical weapons? Who will watch over the weapons? Hey, I got an idea, how about the Russians? Maybe they'll offer to do so in fact, I'm sure that's all part of it.
And just a thought. What if after some international scrutiny it turns out the chemical weapons came from Iraq, from Saddam? Then what? Don't think Kerry and company would like that information to get out now would they.
BOTTOM LINE NOW IS THAT THE CONGRESS AND AMERICAN PEOPLE CANNOT BE DUPED INTO VOTING FOR BOMBING UNDER ANY CONTINGENCY. IN OTHER WORDS THIS SHOULD NOT CHANGE THE VOTE. BOEHNER SHOULD NOW CALL A VOTE ON THIS. WE NEED TO GIVE OBAMA A CLEAR "NO" ON HAVING ANY MANDATE TO BOMB SYRIA.
I'm asking for Freepers to give me their take on this. I'm saying Putin has pulled a remarkable gambit move here. I say he'll promise anything to put Obama on the spot to back off his threats, in turn exposing Obama. Putin knows the media now will run with this.
Like I said, no one with any intelligence actually believes that Obama wants to bomb Syria because of the chemical weapons. Bob Menedez, Kerry and all the other simpletons can say all they want about dying babies. I say bull.
This whole thing is predicated on the clear assumption that Assad unleashed the weapons. Where is the proof? If he did then why would he offer to destroy them or to even render them unusable. Show the American public the proof.
The whole thing on the surface makes no sense unless you start by realizing this is about Obama's long term covert support for the MB and to do what the Saudi's want him to do.
Hey Henry Kessinger, Charles Krauthammer anyone! What the heck is going on here? Please tell us.
Yes, I believe you have the real story behind this.
The US under Obama has become but somebody else’s piece in play on the chessboard. Maybe still worth more than a pawn, perhaps a knight, in a game being played by two other sides.
When I posted this I truly did not know. Then posting #13 made it clear to me. It’s nothing more than who controls the world’s energy and in particular gas routes to Europe via Syria.
Assad stands in the middle of this, and he has Putin and the Chinese to back him. We have no business being there, but the Saudi’s have leverage over us, and they’re making Obama dance.
Syria should be the safest place in the world once Assad beats back the rebels, and now I’m all for him doing so. It’s the best possible out come for Christians, Jews even moderate Muslims if there is such a thing.
Obama is a clueless spectator. He’s not that smart. But I think now that he is the perfect puppet for the Saudis and everyone else over there. Romney would have upset the apple cart for them.
No, Obama is the perfect puppet. It’s all becoming very clear. I’m wondering if Rush or anyone will expose this. I’m wondering if anyone will read the excellent commentary here this morning.
I know! It was never about chemical weapons and now the liars here cannot admit that it was not really about that. So so funny. The media in the dark are all happy that the weapons can be turned in.
Sadly Putin is really just saving his bank account and his energy empire here but it is funny.
“Putin and Assad want to stop the Qatar pipeline from crossing Syria.”
BINGO!
Yes, a reasonable person (or government) would think there is an underlying reason for all the concern in Syria, with the natural gas pipeline being a prime candidate. However, I said ‘reasonable’ and that has to also include some dependable means to control the use/access and revenue generation from said pipeline.
Yeah, depend on a coalition of multiple Muslim rebels that includes a large contingent of Muslim Brotherhood, Al Qaeda-backed rebels. If you think about it, it makes about as much sense as what one might think a reason for toppling Libya (to control its oil output) where reports are that oil production has all but stopped due to rebel control.
I just don’t buy it - natural gas - For Putin, it’s about natural gas, but it isn’t for Obama. This administration is doing about all it can do to reshape the image of our economy, and doing damage control on the dozen or so Obama government agency scandals. The ‘credentials’ of his administration’s prime players are PATHETIC. These people aren’t logical plotters, they are ideological plotters - and that means their reasons for acting aren’t what a reasonable person might assume.
LOL
I think you are absolutely right. Obama never mentioned diplomatic efforts at all. From day one it was about punishing Assad for USING the chemical weapons against the children. He was all over the map on this.
Israel and Egypt are already doing this along the Sinai-Gaza border. Just as Obama has tossed Egypt into the trash heap, so has he left Israel alone, to deal with Iran, and very soon. There is intense cooperation between Israel and Egypt and the poor little diddums HAMAS in Gaza are eating gravel.
Jordan, Saudi Arabia and a host of other Arab states are on board with Egypt and even Israel right now because they all know, America is simply not there. America has proven to be totally unreliable at this critical juncture in history.
Obama has voted present for his golf and vacations but absent as the leader of the USA and our allies, especially the Brits shied away from supporting him. Only the Frogs seemed to want a good fight which is strange, considering the French prefer surrendering to fighting...that's how bad it is right now.
"Qatar also just happens to be a command hub for the Pentagon's US Central Command, headquarters of United States Air Forces Central, No. 83 Expeditionary Air Group RAF, and the 379th Air Expeditionary Wing of the USAF. In brief Qatar, in addition to owning and hosting the anti-Al-Assad TV station Al-Jazeera, which beams anti-Syria propaganda across the Arab world, Qatar is tightly linked to the US and NATO military presence in the Gulf."
Some other places I read that after what happened in Japan EU is more than ever interested in natural gas.
Did John Kerry really “blunder”? Or was this calculated and planned by Kerry? (the giving up the chemical weapons remark)
Nothing surprises this anymore about this bunch.
If someone told me in the early/mid 80’s that by 2013 Pravda and British news sources would be more accurate than the MSM here and an ex KGB (Russian version of Chuck Norris) would be looking like a statesman, I never would have believed it.
After what happened in Japan, many older nuclear plants in the EU were shutdown or are slated to be shutdown.
Obama’s survival to continue the destruction of America is in Putin’s interest.
For us it is about not letting him continue to become more powerful. So let's say Putin supplies all the heat to an EU country and a global issue is out there. The country may have to choose between letting their citizens go without heat or joining us on the issue.
Make no mistake, Putin looks good today but he is not a nice person at all. He who controls the energy source of a country controls most of what they do.
Putin wants to take down NATO. Since the days of Izzy, it has been east-west power struggles.
If the us media starts spinning it that Putin caved to obama, then we can expect t to hear more from Putin.
No, he blundered. We work for Qatar and the establishment of their pipeline.
I agree.
Thanks for your input.
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