Posted on 09/10/2013 3:06:04 AM PDT by nikos1121
I’ve been thinking about this all night...It doesn’t make sense to me. Does anyone else feel the same way I do?
Putin is very very quick, almost too quick, to offer the INternational control of weapons IMMEDIATELY after Kerry’s faux Paux. Why?
I don't think in the least that he fears Obama, or even respects the man as his equal. So why would he make an offer that on the surface will ultimately make Obama look good esp in the eyes of the media, and make him looks like he caved to Obama's threats?
Anyone over the age of 40 kows that the Russians are and always will be liars. They will promise anything to get what they want.
I say this whole thing is set up to expose Obama for the phony he is in this matter. It is not an offer made by a man who fears Obama. To the contrary, I believe that it's an empty offer that intends to ultimately embarrass Obama in the media even more so than he has been.
Think about this. The administration at first says Kerry's comments were rhetorical, giving us the idea that Kerry messed up, but then pundits spin this to sound like Obama got the Russians to do this, and now Obama is taking credit for it. Hillary steps in too.
Makes no sense. Sounds to me like a sly move by Putin that in the end will undermine Obama even more.
I can't help but think that Putin is toying with us, and Obama and company are falling right into it. Why would the Russians be afraid of Obama esp when he says this is going to be an extremely small bombing.
So why did he offer this?
Let’s think this through. WHy would Putin make this offer, unless his intelligence has made it very clear that Obama is using the chemical weapons as a pretense to rally support to bomb Syria and support the MB fight against Syria.
I think that PUtin knows it's got nothing to do with chemical weapons, and to prove it he immediately offers to take that issue off the table.
Now the ball is back in Obama’s court and the MSM can applaud him as there should no longer be an issue for war. The media already are saying Obama is the smartest guy in the room. He got the Russians to cave without firing a shot. Game should be over, right?
WRONG. The Saudi’s, Obama etc want regime change in Syria. It’s not about dying babies and chemical weapons. It’s about regime change and supporting the MB. Same game as in Libya and Egypt.
Boy, I would think Obama is fuming about this. NOw he's called out by the Russians and there's again no where to hide for him. If the Russians and Syrians say we're removing the weapons, the whole matter should be over.
So the Russians figure Obama will back off on his threat to bomb. What will the Russians do? They can spin this all they want for as long as they want. I predict that they will take their fine time on this. Weeks, months maybe a year. Hahahaha.
Why do I picture Putin over there with this big grin on his face. He's thinking, I'll not only beat Obama on any battle field because I know that man is a coward, but I'll beat him in the social media as well.
Does anyone actually believe that Assad will destroy his chemical weapons? Who will watch over the weapons? Hey, I got an idea, how about the Russians? Maybe they'll offer to do so in fact, I'm sure that's all part of it.
And just a thought. What if after some international scrutiny it turns out the chemical weapons came from Iraq, from Saddam? Then what? Don't think Kerry and company would like that information to get out now would they.
BOTTOM LINE NOW IS THAT THE CONGRESS AND AMERICAN PEOPLE CANNOT BE DUPED INTO VOTING FOR BOMBING UNDER ANY CONTINGENCY. IN OTHER WORDS THIS SHOULD NOT CHANGE THE VOTE. BOEHNER SHOULD NOW CALL A VOTE ON THIS. WE NEED TO GIVE OBAMA A CLEAR "NO" ON HAVING ANY MANDATE TO BOMB SYRIA.
I'm asking for Freepers to give me their take on this. I'm saying Putin has pulled a remarkable gambit move here. I say he'll promise anything to put Obama on the spot to back off his threats, in turn exposing Obama. Putin knows the media now will run with this.
Like I said, no one with any intelligence actually believes that Obama wants to bomb Syria because of the chemical weapons. Bob Menedez, Kerry and all the other simpletons can say all they want about dying babies. I say bull.
This whole thing is predicated on the clear assumption that Assad unleashed the weapons. Where is the proof? If he did then why would he offer to destroy them or to even render them unusable. Show the American public the proof.
The whole thing on the surface makes no sense unless you start by realizing this is about Obama's long term covert support for the MB and to do what the Saudi's want him to do.
Hey Henry Kessinger, Charles Krauthammer anyone! What the heck is going on here? Please tell us.
He is giving Obu,mer the space he needs for removing of our stockpile of nukes in exchange for Syria’s.
It is the false peace through disarmament language instead of defense.
Putin has masterfully out-maneuvered Obama and now the Assad regime looks quite secure, and the Saudis look to be out of luck. Obama lost the war without firing a shot, and to fire a shot at this point would just make him look very bad.
It all makes sense if you stop and think that Ovomit made a secret deal with Russia. Remember, “After I’m re-elected I’ll have more flexibility.”?
Lao Tse said, “Always leave a bridge for your enemy to retreat over.” Putin is a true statesman. Obama has been soundly and thoroughly beaten by the Russians and Syrians. Now he’s being allowed to retreat.
As embarrassing as he is, I’m grateful that Obama is a plodding, died in the wool Marxist fool. He could have been an evil genius, moved a little slower towards his destructive goals and ended up president for life.
Well Syria is Russia’s friend. Putin saw Kerry’s gaffe as an opportunity to prevent an attack on Syria. Also he saw it as an opportunity to undermine Kerry and Obama. Your leftie media is doing all it can however to spin this Obama’s way. Anyone with half a brain sees Obama as inept and called out by Putin on this one. I loved the way Ban Ky Moon jumped in on it so quickly too but I consider him more of a useful idiot.
Mel
IMO, Putin manuvered the dope into a real corner. If he strikes, he is the international law breaker. If he does not, he looks like a blustering idiot. The dope will probably save face by declaring this was his idea all along but he will remain vigilent and if the transfer does not take place (logistically impossible to do anyway), he will strike at it. So, the ball will be back in the dopes court so to speak but whatever he does, he will look like the dope he is. Meanwhile, Putin leaves him politically weaker in the US BUT still in charge of taking apart the US from within. Putin accomplishes his strategic goal, removing the US from the playing field.
And we shall note that Assad and Putin still conveniently deny having any weapons in the area.
Now that makes sense. Assad is definitely more secure. He can now, with Russian help, beat the heck out of the rebels with impunity in fact, he comes out in the media looking like a pretty good guy. ANd he rendered Obama a true paper tiger because, as you say, Obama can’t fire a shot now.
I still think the Congress should not vote to give him the option to bomb. I sure hope republicans don’t offer some resolution that says, “We will authorize bombing if Syria doesn’t dismantle their chemical weapon stockpile in x number of days.”
He can still play the race card to accomplish that.
These are sad days for America.
Russia has allies and client states. This makes Russia a more attractive partner. Inspections are meaningless and the U.S. comes off as weak, because we profess one thing, but do another.
I don’t think he did. I think Kerry spoke out of turn, saying something stupid, and the Russians seized on it. Obama will find some way to walk away from this. “Russia is insincere, disingenuous, stalling etc.” But the media now won’t let him.
I think the next 48 to 72 hrs will make this clear and it will all be different than how we see it now. I predict that the MSM will give Obama’s WIN OVER RUSSIANS 24/7 coverage. He will be hailed a real hero.
In the background he is a weakened president with no more authority, perhaps less, to take any military action against anyone.
The whole world is laughing at him.
Obama: ......for me, it’s crossing a red line......
Kerry: .....unbelievable horror reminiscent of Nazi blah, blah, blah.....
Obama: .....I never had a red line...the international community had one....it’s not my credibility on the line.....it’s the international community’s credibility...
Kerry: ......we must decisively invade blah blah blah....
Kerry: ......the attack will be unbelievably small ....
Susan Rice/Samantha Power: ....we have EXHAUSTED all potential diplomatic solutions......
PUTIN to ASSAD: I have a solution for this
Kerry: .....hey! I have an idea!......
Obama: ....if Syria were to relinquish.....
There isn’t a magical plan here. It is a cacophony of disconnected sycophants and one Narcissist all speaking independently.
The truth is Obama underestimated his power. Right up to the point where he found out he would never get his WPA go ahead. The only one with a plan here is Putin - the only adult on the scene.
The US media may give credit for this solution to Obama/Kerry, but the truth is the world knows the incomprehensible incompetence of this administration team.
So the game has been called on this embarrassing Special Olympics Foreign Affairs game with the US being given a token’ “we are winners, too.” trophy.
First of all it is a message for a leaders of the Middle East who aren’t wearing suits and packs their multiple underage “wifes” into a garbage bags (Obama’s pals).
Yes, I’ve read this, but why should we get involved? ON the surface we shouldn’t, unless the Saudi’s are calling the shots.
BUT CLEARLY....CLEARLY THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CHEMICAL WEAPONS AND ALL TO DO WITH SOMETHING ELSE, AND I SUPPOSE WHAT YOU SAY SO FAR MAKES THE MOST SENSE.
IT’S ABOUT NATURAL GAS.
"Washington is walking a temporary tightrope hoping to weaken al-Assad fatally while not appearing directly involved. Russia for its part is playing a life and death game for the future of its most effective geopolitical lever—its role as the leading natural gas supplier to the EU. This year Russia's state-owned Gazprom began delivery of Russian gas to northern Germany via Nord Stream gas pipeline under the Baltic Sea from a port near St. Petersburg. Strategically vital now for the future role of Russia as an EU gas supplier, is its ability to play a strategic role in exploiting the new-found gas reserves of its former Cold war client state, Syria."
It's really just Serbia The Sequel. Pipelines and leaders who side with Russia instead of Nato. I have been doing a lot of digging and some of Europe doesn't believe it was sarin, but chlorine gas. There may not even BE any chemical weapons.
Putin has been, after all, an incredibly cruel bully over his energy empire. I can supply you with tons of links about this if you are interested but basically he is kind of a low level psychopath in business and hugely successful at making money on energy.
So glad you agree about the natural gas and this not being about chemical weapons. Only here on FR are people sane and knowledgeable it seems.
Putin probably makes deals that help his side. He doesn’t care if we are stuck with Obama.
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