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There would never been a war if but for the sin of slavery. If you defend the south you defend slavery.
I will not be a slave. I will die to defend that principle.
Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe... most of the Presidents prior to 1850 owned slaves at one time or another. Were the founding fathers all evil?
“There would never been a war if but for the sin of slavery.”
My question is where you find slavery condemned as sin. Sin in the western world is usually associated with the Christian faith. If you know where it is condemned in the Bible please provide the reference. Surely it is easy enough to find.
That’s nice. Now answer the question.
MAT. 22:39 = And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
Mat 22:40 = On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
You cannot love your neighbor and steal his labor.
It is believable to me that in 2013 we are still discussing the morality of slavery.
I think most political decisions are anything but altruistic, despite the terms they may be couched in. My view is that Lincoln fought for much the same reasons King George tried to stop the colonies from breaking away. The wealth and power of the surviving union would have been greatly diminished had the agriculturally productive southern states been allowed to secede. It might have even resulted in eventual loss of western territories that came under southern influence. Also, how would northern industry have fared after losing the southern market to “friendlier” European suppliers? There were plenty of hard nosed reasons to commit to war, but claims that cause of human liberty was the motivating factor don’t really ring true to me. It is a good way to stir people up to fight though. Do a little digging on the Corwin Amendment if you’ve never heard of it before. It’s not the kind of thing that makes it into the PC hagiographies we’ve been fed on Lincoln for decades.
Live in any fantasy world you choose. The Civil war was fought to end slavery.
If the Southern Patricians had said, your right, slavery is wrong, we henceforth free all our slaves. You think there’d still been a war?
But Paul didn’t quote those verses to Philemon and order him to free Onesimus. Did Paul not know them?
In fact he told Onesimus to return to Philemon. There appears to be a flaw in your use of those verses.
I quoted Jesus and you still defend slavery?
“Live in any fantasy world you choose. The Civil war was fought to end slavery.”
Of course Lincoln believed that he was fighting it to Preserve The Union, but what would he know?
From his First Inaugural:
“Apprehension seems to exist among the people of the Southern States, that by the accession of a Republican Administration, their property, and their peace, and personal security, are to be endangered. There has never been any reasonable cause for such apprehension. Indeed, the most ample evidence to the contrary has all the while existed, and been open to their inspection. It is found in nearly all the published speeches of him who now addresses you. I do but quote from one of those speeches when I declare that “I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.” Those who nominated and elected me did so with full knowledge that I had made this, and many similar declarations, and had never recanted them...”
Squirm all you like but you are defending slavery. If the Southern patricians had disavowed the immoral theft of other peoples labor there would never have been a war.
“I quoted Jesus and you still defend slavery?”
That would be great if Jesus had been discussing slavery or the value of a man’s labor, which he wasn’t. In fact the verses come from the encounter where Pharisees were trying to trap him and he advises them to pay to Caesar what is owed to Caesar and to pay God what is owed to God. Taking a particular verse out of its context is convenient, but not valid.
On the other hand I brought up to you the letter of Paul’s in which he is sending the runaway Onesimus back to Philemon. It seems very odd that Paul would fail to instruct Philemon on the evil of slavery and the necessity of eliminating it in such a letter. Paul certainly wasn’t shy about condemning other practices that he wrote about, sodomy being an example.
And just to correct a bit of your flawed logic I haven’t defended slavery. I have simply asked you the source for your argument that slavery is per se a sin. So far you haven’t managed to find a reference that addresses the subject and condemns it as a sin. But you should keep trying.
You demanded an answer from me and I gave it to you in the voice of Jesus Christ himself.
Now I demand an answer from you. Would there have been a war if the southern patricians has freed their slaves?
“Squirm all you like but you are defending slavery.”
Lol. The squirming seems to be all yours. I just ask you to provide a reference for your argument that slavery is evil. You seem to be having some difficulty finding the chapter and verse where this is spelled out. Take your time and keep looking.
Ok, Jesus in not an authority to you. Then I need to defend myself from you with weapons Come get me bitch.
You really think it is up to me to defend the proposition:
Slavery is bad.
No. You have accepted the role of defending the proposition that slavery is a socialist good.
Oh, sure it's evil.
But what to do? We had to get your mills the cotton, and couldn't pick it all by ourselves.
We would have preferred to work the Irish, but y'all had all of them.
“You demanded an answer from me and I gave it to you in the voice of Jesus Christ himself.”
No you didn’t. What you provided are a couple of out of context verses from Matthew where Jesus was debating Pharisees. Their discussion involved marriage and rendering what is owed to Caesar. There is no mention of slavery in that chapter.
Matthew’s Gospel does mention slavery but not from where you quoted.
Matthew 18:23-35 speaks of a slave who is punished by his master for being unforgiving.
Matthew 21:33-41 features a group of slaves who are killed and no one objects.
Matthew (10:24) tells us that “slaves are not above their masters” .
Matthew 24:46: “Blessed is that slave whom his master will find at work when he arrives”.
Jesus didn’t take the opportunity to condemn slavery in any of those Matthew verses. Jesus spoke of slaves as a fact of life. People are owned by other people. But you should keep looking for that chapter and verse where Jesus discusses slavery and calls it a sin.
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