Posted on 08/13/2013 12:24:06 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd
How? You think there is a wind chill factor?
If it is 100 degrees and the heat rising off the interstate is 125 degrees (at least) do you think the inside car temperature of the car will be anthing less than 100 degrees?
Please explain.
No, not a monster. Just someone who read the comments regarding the situation and has more knowledge than you.
And don’t forget the seat belts. No... we didn’t use them. We SAT on them. And the buckle was like a branding iron that burned that little GM enblem deep into the back of our legs.
(Until we squished them pesky seat belts deep back behind the seat cushions. Ohhh, the good ol’ days.)
No, not a monster. Just someone who read the comments regarding the situation and has more knowledge than you.
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You have no idea.
You read comments? Whoop de doo.
Someone who is sucking for blood during a tragedy is a vindictive monster.
I don’t know what has happened to Free Republic, Jim, but it isn’t the same.
By law, in most jurisdictions the child has to be in a baby carrier and in the back seat (away from the killer passenger side airbag).
You want to hang them for following the law?
Proof, imho, we have too many damned laws. In the old days the kid would likely have been up front.
The kid DIED, hell yes they should be charged. They screwed up. There are way to have the kid in the back seat and still give them enough attention to not die. They didn’t follow the law, the law says you need to pay enough attention to your kid for them to not die on your watch.
I’m a vindictive monster, so you have to ping Jim Robinson to wonder aloud what has happened to Free Republic?
Maybe he’ll show up with a Butthurt Report for you to fill out and a pair of big girl panties for you to put on.
But for now... Blow it out your poop chute.
That is illegal now
it was not kept hidden away in a carseat in the back seat
That is required now.
if the baby even began looking distressed, they stopped and made sure it was OK.
In a rear view mirror, a baby in a coma looks just like a peacefully sleeping baby.
Watch the road!
The air movement will help keep it at *only* 100, instead of something much higher with the windows up. And the evaporative cooling function of sweat needs convective air movement to effectively remove heat from the body. Fast-moving 110 degree air will cool sweaty people better than still 100 degree air.
Actually when that stupidity results in somebody else dieing it indeed IS a crime. That’s the whole concept behind the negligent homicide charge, sending people to jail because they killed somebody with their stupid.
It’s simple.
Heat builds up inside a vehicle.
The sun’s rays are converted to heat energy on the sheet metal and enters the interior through convection.
The sun’s rays pass through the glass and are converted to heat energy on the surfaces of the interior and anything inside the vehicle.
The heat from the engine enters the interior of the car though the metal parts due to convection.
Heat is generated by the living creatures inside of the vehicle.
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If the windows are rolled up, all that heat accumulates. A car with rolled up windows when the ambient temperature is over 100F can have an interior temperature of well over 140F. A moving car with the windows down will have around the same temperature as the ambient temperature as the air passing through the vehicle carries away the excess heat.
I have driven more than a million miles in Arizona in un-air conditioned vehicles. I have heated up burritos on my dashboard. This is a subject of which I have intimate knowledge.
If the ambient temperature outside is 100F, moving air will not bring the temperature in the car below 100F. In fact, moving air at 100F or higher acts like a convection oven and of itself transfers heat more efficiently than still air.
What moving air will do is accelerate evaporative cooling from perspiration. Which adults do just fine, if they don’t get too dehydrated, but which three week old babies don’t have down yet.
There are a host of things they could have done to protect the poor little thing from the heat, most obviously driving after the sun goes down. Or dampening her clothing for evaporative cooling, though that one is tricky because the baby can be easily chilled as well as overheated.
I am aware of that, and that was not the basis for my opinion.
You want to hang them for following the law?
The law does not allow parents can put their kids in the back seat of a hot car, a car that was so "packed with their belongings" that there was little to no air circulation. The law does not allow parents to leave a child in the back seat of that hot car unchecked, a set of circumstances that clearly contributed to the young one's death.
Do you really believe the law allows this? Because that seems to be the argument you are making.
Maybe. But 23 day old infants in a big bulky car seat can’t tolerate heat like we can.
I wonder IF (big IF) the parents checked on her, and since she wasn’t sweating, they figured she was OK fine.
No I pinged Jim because I have become increasingly disgusted with the lack of class and poor caliber of some of the particpants. Am in mourning.
Been here daily for 15 years and never have seen such monsters.
Zatso?
If the air temperature is higher than your body/skin temperature and you blow that air on you do you get warmer or cooler?
Does the answer change if you are dehydrated and are no longer sweating?
Does the answer change if you are 23 days old and your body hasn't quite learned to regulate its temperature?
How about if you are 23 days old and dehydrated?
If the ambient temperature is 100F, the interior temperature of a vehicle with the windows up will be 140F+.
You are right. Infants don't regulate their body heat well. At all. Add to that the fact that I've seen people from cold climates who didn't know how to dress their infants in hot weather--swaddling them. When it's hot and you don't have air conditioning, even a newborn needs to have very little clothing on.
Yep, your mom held you in her arms while dad drove.
Today that would earn her an expensive ticket at best, a visit from CPS and confiscation of a child of The State from her at worst.
Read #71 and #72. They explain the physics.
And no, a dehydrated infant should not be subjected to that kind of stress.
Whenever we had to travel across the desert with an infant, we did it at night.
The experience I’ve had on motorcycles is that so long as the outside air is one or two degrees cooler than YOU are i.e. one or two degrees below human body temperature which is 98.7 for most people, the wind cools. Beyond that, it’s just blowing air which is hotter than you are over you faster.
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