Posted on 07/31/2013 12:02:01 PM PDT by Kartographer
Two EMP experts told Secrets that the EMP flashed through earth's typical orbit around the sun about two weeks before the planet got there.
"The world escaped an EMP catastrophe," said Henry Cooper, who lead strategic arms negotiations with the Soviet Union under President Reagan, and who now heads High Frontier, a group pushing for missile defense.
"There had been a near-miss about two weeks ago, a Carrington-class coronal mass ejection crossed the orbit of the Earth and basically just missed us," said Peter Vincent Pry, who served on the Congressional EMP Threat Commission from 2001-2008. He was referring to the 1859 EMP named after astronomer Richard Carrington that melted telegraph lines in Europe and North America.
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Yep, but the electrical surge created by a flare will. Here is a good example. About 10 yrs. ago lightning struck a tree about 50 feet from my house. It was an intense enough strike, that even though it missed the house, it was enough surge to fry three appliances in my house. Repairmen told that the electronics were the culprit, not electrical. Not the exact same scenario, but very similar and with different scale.
And concerning your comments around the 1989 event. It was a small high lattitude event with local consequences, where there was enough surrounding support structure and resources to address quickly. Also, 1989 was a mere blip versus what was witnessed in 1859. Heck, Auroras were seen throughout the entire northern hemisphere, and some so bright, they could be used to read at night.
I know this is kind of wordy, but I fully disagree that electronics are not vulnerable due to a natural or man made EMP type event.
I like the calculations, but what is your basis for the data for the Carrington event? Were there meters that took good scientific data then? Think about it, harnassed AC electrial energy was still a few decades down the road. As I stated in an earlier post, would voltage of that magnitude (as you stated) be enough to generate enough power and heat to catch a DC cell on fire? Electronics utilizes wiring too. What is to prevent enough from intruding into that wiring to inflict the damage so many fear?
I agree. Cars may may not be impacted. The bigger concern should be whether a part or a gallon of gas will be available two weeks later. My concern is the power and manufacturing and power sector which is all interconnected. The economic impact of a Carrington Event to our economy is not something that should be not taken lightly, and unfortuneately our government is sticking its head in the sand, rather than preparing necessary contingency plans, and systems to address it.
“If you are an engineer, (as I), then you will realize how this will impact any form of manufacturing that employs computer controls.”
For manufacturing systems, Small dimensions = small impact from a solar flare
Twisted pairs (you’d better be doing this anyway) = small impact
You are right, any DC telegraph systems will be seriously impacted in a Carrington event.
” As I stated in an earlier post, would voltage of that magnitude (as you stated) be enough to generate enough power and heat to catch a DC cell on fire?”
if you have a 500mile DC telegraph line, you’re looking at a voltage on the order of 25000v being induced. that would be plenty
“I fully disagree that electronics are not vulnerable due to a natural or man made EMP type event.”
Electronics are not vulnerable to a solar flare. Electronics are vulnerable to lots of other things, like static discharge, power quality issues, lightning strikes, poorly designed home electrical systems, electrical code violations and much more.
Vulnerability to a solar flare is entirely dependent on the ability to absorb the energy generated by a geomagnetic disturbance, which requires very large dimension metal structures. Pipelines, power transmission lines, etc.
A solar flare is not in any way like a lightning strike at 50ft.
For those who can’t grasp just how close this was in celestial terms think of it this way. It takes 52 weeks for the Earth to circle the Sun. In two weeks the Earth only covers 1/26th of that orbit. The event missed the Earth by 1/26th of it’s orbit.
“The bigger concern should be whether a part or a gallon of gas will be available two weeks later.”
There won’t be gasoline available immediately in areas where the grid is out. Some gasoline stations have a backup generator so their gas might run for a day until it’s all bought.
When a hurricane is coming through here, all gasoline and food and bottled water is bought out in two days.
Where will you get gas for it? Electronics are needed to pump gas from a service station into the car, to deliver it to the service station, to pump it out of the ground in the first place, to refine it into gasoline, to pay for the work at every step in the process...No, I think that when you've used up whatever small reserves of gasoline you can store on your property, you'll be motionless like everyone else.
Me, I'm glad I have access to horses. And I am packing to move further out into the countryside where I can survive better.
To be realistic, after an EMP event I wouldn't last too long, as I'm a lady in her late middle years, on my own, and I need medication to live. A single person can't defend a homestead for long. Stocking up on my meds only prolongs the inevitable, but I will fight it out as long as I can.
Gas will be available for as long as there are inoperable cars with gas tanks. Sure the gas will degrade over time but it will work for 6-12 months.
The bigger problem will probably be the lack of passable roads.
No why don’t you try again?
The energy from a nuke blast is like a square wave. Once the pulse is introduced into a circuit, it is very much like a square wave, and then the circuit rings down.
Are you really a electrical engineer or a HAM radio operator?
And you are wrong on solar flares as well.
Good day.
RF engineer,
Can’t believe the ridiculous crap you are spewing.
Solar flares can trigger a EMP. As I understand, it’s not 100%, but there is a very good chance (I can’t find statistics on it) that a solar flare can trigger a EMP in our atmosphere.
It’s a system, like any other, that when you dump a sudden large amount of energy into it, it responds non-linearly.
I think you’re actually a misinformed HAM radio operator, or you don’t bother reading much.
I haven’t researched harden vehicles. Plus, they are only good outside of the primary range a nuke-driven EMP. The defense dept., etc., have done lots of research on this type of stuff, so you can Google it.
As for resistant vehicles -— I doubt anyone has done that, except the military, maybe some preppers? Might find something on Google about that as well.
But I seriously doubt there are any truly hardened cars out there. You are probably good enough with the Gauss shields already in place to protect the outside from the inside of those boxes in your car. Beyond that, it will be costly, I suspect. Plus there is the testing aspect. Won’t know until you test those systems how effective they really are, and that will get expensive.
If you are really paranoid about it, you can buy several spares of all the sensitive components of your car, put them in a totally enclosed metal box, weld it, and bury it :)
That’s a big part of the problem...
We continue to dump the American treasure into other countries, while our government becomes more corrupt and our system continues in decline.
They’ve got half the population consumed and obsessed over skin color and perverted sick politicians posing nude for other sick skanks.
It just gets worse.
Eventually when a big event occurs, this country will not be prepared...
This is what should be expected with a corrupt, immoral, perverted and controlling dictatorial degenerate government.
“The energy from a nuke blast is like a square wave. Once the pulse is introduced into a circuit, it is very much like a square wave, and then the circuit rings down.”
Um, no.
You really have no idea what you are talking about. A Nuke EMP is nothing at all like a square wave. Holster your misinformation and read the thread. You can’t help but improve your understanding of things - as you are so far off it’s starting to be humorous.
“And you are wrong on solar flares as well.”
If you say so, ace. However, the entire rest of the world is operating on the assumptions I am stating on this thread.
“As I understand, it’s not 100%”
You seem to understand 0%.
“Can’t believe the ridiculous crap you are spewing.”
Really? I wonder why that is, as you seem so bright.
I had a rental last week, my truck was in the shop because I hit a deer. The rental car I had would be dead as well.
We have an old pickup and a newer one so a little of both, but we also have horses and I am pretty sure they have no electronics- that I am aware of.
Post of the day.
That's certainly correct and "everybody" knows 1/26 is a very small number. What everybody doesn't know is just how large earth's orbital path is Ie: 584,336,233 miles. So a small fraction of a large number is itself a very large number in comparison to the diameter of the target.
584,336,233/26 = 22,474,470.5 miles Earth's diameter is 7,926 miles so the near miss was 22,474,470.5/7,926 = 2,825 Earth diameters! Putting it in those terms is more edifying for most people.
In addition to coronal mass ejections, we have gamma ray bursts, city sized asteroids, chemical/biological/nuclear weapons systems in the hands of suicidal terrorists, a global pandemic, genetically modified foods, a financial system based on quicksand, and a political system rapidly circling the drain.
Since the first three are a crap shoot and there is currently nothing we can do to avoid (narrowly or otherwise) them we must just acknowledge their probability and move on to things we can do something about.
Regards,
GtG
Sarge - solar EMP doesn’t do the double fast pulses of a nuclear EMP. Try to read up on the Compton effect. Ifya ain’t a three rotor propellor head scientist it may not make sense. But essentially solar EMP induces strong currents in long wave antenna like power lines and telegraph wires. Integrated circuits.? Probably nothing worse than replacing fuses, tripping circuit breakers, resetting surge protectors. But unprotected devices in your home and office could be fried by rogue voltage/current from Solar EMP. and the power grid just might be FUBAR.
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