Posted on 07/12/2013 6:50:53 PM PDT by rickmichaels
EDMONTON A so-called mens rights group is defending its recent poster campaign that is sparking national outrage for claiming some women lie about being raped.
The posters were a response to the Dont be that guy campaign that aims to educate young men on alcohols role in sexual assault and define consensual sex.
Mens Rights Edmonton issued a statement on its website taking responsibility for its Dont be that girl campaign that was highly criticized by police, city officials and womens groups for sending the wrong message.
Just because you regret a one night stand doesnt mean it wasnt consensual, the posters read.
Women who drink are not responsible for their actions especially when alcohol is involved, another poster said.
The University of Alberta ordered the removal of the posters because they violated the schools posting policies.
Albertas minister of human services, MLA Dave Hancock, denounced the campaign on Twitter, saying it was appalling, dangerous and indefensible.
However, Mens Rights Edmonton defended the posters Thursday, saying there is nothing wrong with advocating against both rape and false rape accusations. The group believes the original campaign was hateful towards men and insinuates that all men are rapists.
We want rapists punished for their crimes. We also want the system to punish those that make false rape claims. How more can you trivialize real victims of rape than by making a false rape claim? the group said, adding that some studies suggest there are as many false rape reports as real rape reports.
But according to police, that claim is completely false.
Acting Insp. Sean Armstrong said there is no data that suggests false rape claims are common or dilute real reports of sexual assault.
He said after 4.5 years of working as a sexual assault detective, he had only seen one false report.
And I dealt with numerous files; many, many, many files. So theyre extremely rare, he said.
The original campaign began in Edmonton after police saw a spike in alcohol-facilitated sex assaults in the city. The eye-catching campaign was subsequently picked up by Vancouver police and organizers hope other cities will do the same.
Statistics overwhelmingly show there is a need for increased education surrounding consent, especially when alcohol is involved.
According to Battered Womens Support Services, studies involving 18- to 25-year-old men revealed that 48 per cent of the men did not consider it rape if a woman is too drunk to know what is going on.
Another study from the Canadian Womens Foundation survey found that 19 per cent of respondents think that women actually encourage sexual assault by being drunk.
The survey also revealed 15 per cent of Canadians believe women encourage sexual assault by flirting and 11 per cent think women can provoke sexual assault when they wear short skirts.
Battered Womens Support Services said that targeting a womans behaviour contributes to a culture of victim-blaming and may deter others from reporting rapes.
The idea that some women lie about rape to justify regretful behaviour further muddies the waters.
Were really angry and disturbed by the posters, said Karen Smith, executive director of the Sexual Assault Centre of Edmonton. People just dont lie about that.
She cited national statistics as evidence that false reports are incredibly rare.
One to two percent of sexual assaults reported to the police would be false. And that would be the same for any other crime that would be reported to the police.
In 2009, there were nearly 21,000 sexual assaults reported to police, according to Statistics Canada. However, that number doesnt reflect the number of actual sex assaults, as less than one in 10 attacks are reported.
StatsCan said that 97 per cent of people accused of sexual assault are young men and 55 per cent are known to the victims.
have you seen how loose women are today? they are rooting around worse than some guys do.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3042338/posts?page=13#13
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Since when is a passed out guy deciding to put a move on a woman???? If he is falling down staggeringly drunk (as so many of these dumb women are) how is he even able to get or maintain an erection....Physiologically it doesn’t happen. I have yet to see a fellow passed out being ready to go.
I was referring to the article itself. It is specific and for the town of Edmundton. Since that is where this all occurred.
Address the DNA testing results in post 13.
After you do that, go to AA or NA meetings for ten years or so and listen to how many broken people were persuaded as children by one parent or the other to bring false charges against their ex or their ex’s new squeeze.
Are false reports half of all reports, or even a quarter? No. But they are likely between an eighth and a fifth. Hardly uncommon.
At the same time, a quarter to a third of rapes are not reported.
The two phenomenon are not mutually exclusive.
Some do....that does not give men license to take advantage of someone who is so drunk they are staggering or passed out. What is interesting about having sex with that?
And what a sorry a$$ excuse to say ‘ well look at how bad they act’. That NEVER flew with my parents. I guess you either are not raising children.
One of these days men will realize that no sex outside of marriage is the only way to be entirely safe from false accusations of rape.
One exception would be to have immunity if you had a Mutual Consent form, signed, witnessed and notarized 24 hours before the event. Yeah, I know, “aint gonna happen”.
But it would provide the guy with immunity. It would also make a whole lot of couples stop and think, Is this really a good idea?
I have been going to meetings for a lot longer than 10 years and your so called claim of ‘many’ broken children being persuaded to file false charges against a parent is just flat out false. First since it is after all anonymous anyone can say anything ( and they often do). Have folks in AA been abused....sure a lot of them. Have folks in AA had pretty standard childhoods? Sure a lot of them. SInce you give a non quantifiable example it is meaningless. Moreover the type of information that you describe seems to only be shared by some newbie who hasn’t been told that you don’t share a fifth step at meeting level. And beyond that you have no business sharing what happens in a closed meeting outside of a closed meeting. But that’s okay because you had a ‘pure’ reason for doing so. Check your own self.
You pull numbers out of your ear for no reason. My comments were directed to the article as written. It was about Edmunton Canada.
a guy can be drunk and still want sex and be able to perform. my college roomates would attest. anyone who’s been on spring break would attest.
drunk doesn’tmean passed out. when you drink you are impaired. if both parties drink, both are impaired, and if both are drunk, neither can give consent or be responsible for their actions.
you can’t expect men to treat women who are acting like drunk sluts, like ladies. they by defiition are notacting like ladies by getting faling down drunk on purpose. i am not saying it justifies actual rape, i am saying their own behavior needs to be owned by them and voluntary idiotic behavior done by two drunk people either must be shared or both are absolved.
I did not say drunk...I said staggeringly drunk or passed out for a reason.
‘you cant expect men to treat women who are acting like drunk sluts, like ladies.’ Yes I can and I do. It is the way my parents raised me and it is the way I raised my children. Apparently you think it is okay to behave as if you have no morals and no upbringing because someone else is behaving badly.... You are pathetic. This is one of the reasons we have a society that is self entitled and egocentric.
Address the DNA evidence from post 13.
That is quantifiable. Try to explain it away.
I gave no specific names nor geographic information. The stories are common enough that individual anonymity is not endangered. Generalities about meetinhs are not abrogation of confidentiality.
“Dont be that guy
How about “Don’t be that drunk slut who expects marriage, or even respect, out of a consensual one-night stand with that drunk guy” campaign?
Physiologically it absolutely does happen.
Just one hour ago here in the Bay Area I heard on the radio of a Santa Cruz case:
Cops busted her because in an online forum she was offering sex in RETURN for sexually assaulting her.
Weird, huh? I can see your confused look from here, and I shared that confused look.
Apparently her plan was to bolster claims for her impending police report of a rape or sexual assault —there is some inexplicable grievance cadre there, and the charge for admittance up into the cool kids’ treehouse is some claim to being a victim. A victim of SOMETHING.
COMPLICATED, HUH? That was on the radio here one hour ago.
Don’t ask..! >:(
Women lie about rape????
Next you’ll tell me kids lie about child abuse.
After that, you’ll probably say hoodlums lie about police brutality.
why are you giving a total 100% pass to the idiots who are voluntarily drinking themselves into that state?
i wouldn’t go after these girls. they aren’t appealing to me. I am just saying idiots who do idiotic things, it isn’t a surprise they regret what they did and that other idiots take advantage of them.
Now that is how you raise your kids, don’t do idiot things, and have enough pride and respect for YOURSELF to ALWAYS ACT RESPONSIBLY so other idiots don’t take advantage of you.
But jeez don’t pass what is your responsibility off on other people. You are responsible for YOU. Don’t be an idiot and get passed out drunk. How about their parents teaching them that one? And while we’re at it how about teaching them not to be whores and hook up with guys for one night they meet at a bar?
And let’s be crystal clear here, a lady does not go to a bar and get falling down drunk, and hook up with a guy at that bar.
If you think that is a lady, well, we have a disagreement in what a lady is.
conversely, a gentleman does not prey upon drunk women either.
But in today’s college bars, you do not find that many of either ladies or gentleman. And you can tell that by the behavior they exhibit. Most are there to get wasted and hook up for meaningless casual sex. And that is not what real ladies and real gentlemen do.
Ladies stay in control of themselves so as not to act like whores and be a sexual tease, and so that nobody can take unfair advantage of them. gentlemen don’t prey on ladies because they aren’t there to use whatever woman is around that moment as a receptacle that night, and that’s the end of it.
But college bars are meat markets and truly, today, are no place for real ladies and gentlemen. The only thing that will come from it is desensitization to bad behavior.
Excuse me, they are far to coomon, especially in divorce/custody cases.
Perhaps you had better look at the hyperexagerators definition of ‘drunk’ before you comment.
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