Posted on 06/23/2013 10:56:25 AM PDT by rickmichaels
Isabel, a New York City lawyer, has a fiancé who appears a perfect catch. Eric is sensitive, smart, kind and handsome. Hes an attentive lover, the sort of man who, on Valentines Day, draws her a bath surrounded by candles and arranges rose petals into a heart shape on the bed. Isabel loves Eric, even though her passion for him dwindled months after they became involved. She misses her erotically charged relationship with her ex-boyfriend who, though not marriage material, made her feel desired, his possession. Still, Isabel tries to rev up her low libido for sex with Eric, buying massage oil and a blindfoldwhich also lets her pretend shes with someone else.
Isabels story may read like an outline for the next wannabe 50 Shades of Grey franchise, but its actually one of several personal accounts punctuating journalist Daniel Bergners bold new book, What Do Women Want? Adventures in the Science of Female Desire. Bergners account of myth-shattering research into female sexuality arrives amid a publishing landslide on the topic, joining Bella Ellwood-Claytons Sex Drive: In Pursuit of Sexual Desire and Katherine Angels Unmastered: A Book on Desire, Most Difficult to Tell. Together they offer startling revelations about female desireor rather its absence, a fevered debate of our time.
Low female libidohypoactive sexual desire disorder as its been medicalizedhas been the subject of hand-wringing for decades. Its the Wheres Waldo? of scientific research, as drug companies desperately seek a female Viagra. Theres big money to be made: a 2005 study in the Canadian Medical Association Journal claimed between 35 and 40 per cent of women have low libidowhich suggests low is in fact closer to average. Ellwood-Clayton spells out the problem in Sex Drive:Once in a secure relationship, womens sex drive begins to plummet, she writes. The Canadian-born sexual anthropologist cites a German study that found that four years into a relationship, less than half of 30-year-old women wanted regular sex with their partners. After 20 years of marriage only 20 per cent of women did. Mens libidos, on the other hand, remained pretty constant.
The issue, weve long thought, is that women just arent interested; female desire is simply weaker, and stoked by intimacy and familiarity. But scientists are now wondering whether commitment itself might be the problem. In other words, its not a libido deficit, its monogamyan unspoken two-year itch. As Bergner puts it, the female drug were really seeking is monogamys cure.
Female desire is a relatively new field of research. Until the late 1970s, the male-dominated field of sexology focused on documenting male behaviour and performance. The more complex, discrete mechanisms of female lust were inconsequential. Anatomical drawings of female rats didnt bother to include the clitoris, Bergner reports. Even today, a peep-show stigma remains attached to sexology in academe, particularly in the U.S., which is why many of the scientists he interviews are Canadian.
Psychologist Lori Brotto of the University of British Columbia cuts to the chase: Sometimes I wonder whether [low female desire] isnt so much about libido as it is about boredom, she says. Ken Wallen, a psychologist and neuroendrocrinologist whose work at Emerson University outside Atlanta has revealed that female rhesus monkeys are the sexual aggressors, echoes the sentiment: The idea that monogamy serves the natural sexuality of women may not be accurate, he says. Bergner also cites an Australian study of women over age 40 that correlated low female desire to the length of time a woman had been with her partner, not hormonal changes. Once those women were with new partners, libido returned.
American psychologist Marta Meana routinely sees women whose white-hot lust for their partner has turned to ash. She theorizes that, within monogamy, womens narcissistic need to feel desired is not being met: they feel their partners are trapped and that a choicethe lust-propelled selection of herwas no longer being made. One of the women interviewed in In What Do Woman Want?, Sophie, reveals how she compensates to summon lust for her husband: by fantasizing about being ravaged by Yankee shortstop Derek Jeter.
The you complete me, best-friends model held as the marital ideal and routinely joked about as a turn-off for men may actually be even more so for women, says Meana: There has to be an other for there to be sexiness.
The idea that women might be ill-suited for monogamy flies in the face of entrenched thinking that women use sex to bond while men use intimacy for sex, as enshrined in the intimacy-based sex-response cycle pioneered by Rosemary Basson, a professor of psychiatry at UBC. It also upends the parental investment theory, the notion that mens seemingly limitless reproductive capacity is why they fling seed far and wide, while women maximize limited reproductive resources by being choosy. Societies have long used the low-libido explanation to maintain order: it discourages female infidelity and has freed womens energy to focus on home and children.
But that doesnt jibe with the new thinking that a big part of what triggers female desire is to be desired. Some of this is conditioned: the idea that womenor good womenmust be pursued and coaxed into sex. But women also expend a lot of energy on the hunt, Elwood-Clayton points outmuch of that also focused on being desired. The stakes are even higher for women in the current hypersexualized culture, she writes: Our desire to appear desirable exceeds desire itself. Jim Pfaus, a Concordia University psychologist and neurobiologist, sees the double standard surrounding female sexuality rooted in fear: We men are afraid that if we open the box, open her control, were opening ourselves to being cuckolded. Were afraid of whats inside. A glimpse of the boxs contents was provided by Natalie Angiers 1999 book Woman: An Intimate Geography, which describes the clitoris as the only organ designed purely for pleasure; it has 8,000 nerve fibrestwice the number in the penis. Who needs a handgun when youve got a semiautomatic? Angier writes.
At Queens University in Kingston, Ont., psychologist Meredith Chivers is working to expose the animal truth of female desire. Her research, which uses a plethysmograph, a miniature bulb and light sensor placed in the vagina, suggests womens desire is as omnivorous as mens; theyre equally aroused by a range of pornography and are far more responsive to stories involving strangers than long-time lovers. Yet when asked to rate their arousal, women downplay it, particularly when the stimuli arent socially acceptable.
Chiverss findings suggest that women buy into the zipped-up model of their own sexuality. Yet as Katherine Angel makes clear in her sexual memoir, Unmastered, female desire is a tangle of complex, often contradictory impulses fed by the mind, the heart, the images we see, things weve read and been told. Angel, a post-doctoral fellow at the Centre for the History of Medicine at Warwick University, writes of processing her first erotic impulses: The words I would have put this into, had I felt the urgethe words I still put this intoare these: I feel like a man. She understood, even then, that as a woman she had to tamp those impulses down.
Fittingly, Angels lyrical, explicit meditation on her own desire, a ferocious and vulnerable thing, defies traditional narrative structure. She weaves trenchant social observation throughout the book, exploring seeming contradictions like being a feminist who enjoys sexual submission. She calls porn misogynistic, coercive, tacky, but, like Chiverss subjects, can be turned on by it: I imagine sex with heror is it me?through his eyes. I see myself as he might. I allow myself desire for her through my desire for him. Awareness of her capacity for pleasure feeds her desire, she writes.
Pfaus believes the new spotlight on female sexuality will make way for a revolution among women in the next generation: Were going to see more supposedly male-like behaviour, more women picking up men, more women getting laid and leaving, having sex without wanting to bond, more girls up in their rooms clicking on their computer and masturbating before they get started on their homework. Its a tableaux destined to horrify many. But, paradoxically, it could also pave the way to more aware, realistic marital expectationsand that includes new ways of scratching the two-year itch.
Just ‘cause you’re too tired to be ABLE to do something doesn’t mean you don’t WANT to do it or are making excuses to not have to do it.
We make time for the things we really want to do, but sometimes the stuff we HAVE to do comes before anything we want to do, no matter how much you want to do it. That’s just a fact of life when you’re raising kids. At least for a lot of us.
Do you have kids?
Sounds like you aren't hungry. One can love the idea of something, like jogging, without really having any desire to do that something.
I think that many women who have no sexual desire, love the idea of being sexual. In fact, they create many reasons why someone as sexual as they think they are, has no libido.
Perceptive response.
I’m not hungry? Wow, have you got me wrong. I’m always hungry.
But you are too tired to eat, not too hungry to sleep.
What’s Lee-Jackson day, is that in connection with the Civil War?
Hub and I are the same way about holidays - he never remembers my b/day and I don’t care, we never exchange presents on Christmas, and Valentine’s day is a non-event entirely. Every now and then, maybe every couple of years, he’ll ask me what day we got married. I tell him (it’s on his birthday, which he also doesn’t remember) and that’s it.
:-D
What I love is when he does things like fixes the leaking kitchen sink, the washing machine, and wow - the day he came home with a new propane range! oooo-weee!
What I especially am fond of is that he is faithful, responsible, has no vices, doesn’t waste money, cares about me greatly, and is my best friend (besides God of course). All the hearts and flowers and ooey gooey stuff - Hallmark cards stuff - I’d feel weird if he tried it.
Remove all of the numbers and text from the knobs and switches, and you have a perfect pictorial representation of the sexes.
Ahh the wonderful slide down into the cesspool continues. This study is so wrong in so many ways I don’t even know where to begin...
An amusing exposition of it.
I think the article’s key is in this sentence: “...within monogamy, womens narcissistic need...” This can’t be addressed without addressing the narcissism, which is related to immaturity. But since homosexuality and other perversions were once classed in the narcissistic personality disorders, there is likely a great deal of truth-avoidance when looking into this category, when what’s needed is acceptance of simple truths.
Do guys really do this?
Yes. For other guys.
They later die of 'pneumonia'.
No wonder she went in search of a man. Yikes!
That was great.
Lee-Jackson Day is a holiday to honor Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson. It’s in late January, when both Generals had their birthdays, and used to be observed in several Southern states. It’s been replaced by Martin Luther King’s Unbirthday. Two of our children share General Lee’s birthday, and one is named after General Jackson.
We also observe Star Wars Day (May 4), which is also my mother’s birthday, and other occasions that are meaningful to us.
I like it when my husband does things like bringing me a book from the library sale, or doing some of the shopping for the children’s camping trips, or picking the baby up when she’s having a tantrum at the same time as other children. He remembers our anniversary within several days of the actual date, and most of the children’s middle names!
Women aren’t attracted to pansy sissified males. As simple as that. They prefer to be dominated by Alpha Males. Survival of the fittest.
Gosh I HOPE not!! ok,maybe once, but then....on to passion!
yes, the actual power of each mechanism
(I know nothing about guns, but ifelt like
i understood what was being said...)
kg/nancy
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