LENR Aircraft gets NASA research grant

Cold Fusion Now ^ | Thursday, June 20, 2013 | By Gregory Goble|

[Kevmo]

The Cold Fusion/LENR Ping List

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http://lenr-canr.org/

[Little Ray]

Well, COOL. If LENR is real, it is about darn time they do something with it other than demos - like power a car or an aircraft.

[Red Badger]

More Globull Warming nonsense it looks like.......

[chrisser]

I’m not sure what the future will be for LENR but...

It would seem that powering an aircraft is about the last thing on the list to do with LENR.

How about a house? A car? Even a satellite (in keeping with NASA’s former mission).

[Kevmo]

A satellite would be the right path. If LENR is scaleable, then houses, cars, water heaters, desalination, space stations, boats, trains, HVAC, electricity generation and aircraft would eventually all experience the economic disruption.

[GraceG]

A water heater/boiler for a small building would be a great start for a real world test.

[DoughtyOne]

I still say that if they do come up with a LENR power aircraft, some folks will claim it’s plugged in, there are hidden batteries, or it was wound up before the test.

[Wonder Warthog]

"It would seem that powering an aircraft is about the last thing on the list to do with LENR.

Not at all. This is precisely in the "thought mode" that DARPA, ARPA, and similar research organizations are chartered to pursue....very high risk but very high reward technology. I've seem some things a LOT "farther out" than LENR.

How about the following....a "hot air" LENR powered dirigible?? LENR generates electricity for prop drive, and the waste heat provides lift? WAY safer than H2 lift. Pretty much unlimited cruising time/range. Heavy-lift capability that needs no airports. Gigantically higher cargo capacity than any helicopter.

[Kevmo]

Psst! Wanna Buy Some eCat Juice? June 10, 2013 http://ecatnews.com/?p=2578 Hydro Fusion, the Swedish license holders for Andrea Rossi’s eCat is making an interesting offer to entice a potential Swedish customer to test the water and act as a showcase for the technology. I’m not sure what to think of this. On the one hand it is interesting but I cannot help wonder why such a complicated dance would be required if the device simply worked as advertised. Potential customers could send their own engineers to Rossi to check the system out prior to buying. Why is it so hard? I put the development under Interesting and Confusing Wanted: Pilot Customer for ECAT 1 MW plant 10 Jun 2013/in News/by adminHydro Fusion is looking for a Pilot Customer for the first ECAT 1 MW Plant to operate in Sweden. The customer will only pay for the energy produced by the ECAT, i.e. Hydro Fusion and Leonardo Corporation will take responsibility for all associated costs including: the plant itself, installation and any transportation costs. In return the Pilot Customer agrees upon •Scheduled Installation time by late fall 2013. •Hydro Fusion and Leonardo Corporation to use the Pilot Plant as a Showcase where external customers can be introduced to an ECAT 1 MW in operation. Hydro Fusion is open to any type of heat application given the restriction of a maximum 120 C temperature. The ECAT’s energy specifications are: •Heat energy is produced according to specs. ◦Heat energy 1 MW thermal at up to 120 C ◦Heat exchanger from ECAT system to customer heat application. •Electricity is consumed according to specs. ◦250 kWe maximum power consumption ◦166 kWe average power consumption, i.e. COP=6 Hydro Fusion would like to receive quotations from Pilot Customers on both thermal MWh price and electric MWh price, based on an assumption of 7,000+ operating hours per year. Please specify clearly if your quotes depend on the outdoor temperature. Pilot Customers, with an interest in this game changing technology, are kindly asked to contact us at info@hydrofusion.com. Please write “Pilot Customer” in the subject of the email. For more info see, ECAT 1 MW Plant. [With thanks to Harry Veeder on Vortex]

[Wonder Warthog]

“How about the following....a “hot air” LENR powered dirigible??”

THIS configuration:

http://www.21stcentech.com/transportation-update-new-hybrid-air-vehicle/

looks like a candidate platform. Delete the solar cells, replace the helium bags with “hot gas” ones, and scale to pretty much any size.

[walkerig]

You should both be aware that as of this Autumn a commercial 1MW Combined Heat and Power (CHP) Pilot Plant, that has already been certified for industrial (staff to look after it) use, will be running in Sweden as a Showcase:

http://hydrofusion.com/news/wanted-pilot-customer-for-ecat-1-mw-plant

You should further be aware that an improved version of technology has been tested by an independent group of international Scientists Universities and organisations. Their pre publication report is available from various sources such as Los Alamos Labs here:
http://xxx.lanl.gov/ftp/arxiv/papers/1305/1305.3913.pdf

And here at Cornell University Library
http://arxiv.org/abs/1305.3913

The report is still going through peer review with corrections and queries from peer reviewers before formal publication.

This picture gives you an idea of the current power output that the scientists from Sweden and Italy verified with the E-Cat HT:
http://b-i.forbesimg.com/markgibbs/files/2013/05/130520_ragone_04.png

There are plans for a more detailed 6 Month test of the of the latest version which is even more powerful.

Meanwhile the European Parliament is discussing LENR/Cold Fusion/The Fleischman-Pons effect:
http://www.enea.it/it/Ufficio-Bruxelles/documenti/eventi/new-advancements-on-the-fleischmann-pons-effect/agenda-pdf

And Dr. James Truchard: Chairman of National Instruments, the worlds biggest Scientific Instrument maker will be Key Note speaker at this years Cold Fusion Conference at Missouri University:
http://iccf18.research.missouri.edu/index.php

Lots of stuff happening now, get ready for a major US anouncement! :)

[B4Ranch]

Imagine having a drone that only needs to land to change the bearings and get a lube job!

[Wonder Warthog]

"Imagine having a drone that only needs to land to change the bearings and get a lube job!"

I think more about a "container ship" version about the size of the carrier Enterprise or larger. Direct from China to any major city. Probably with 100-1000 individual LENR reactors and gas cells. Massive redundancy. Much faster and probably much cheaper (and safer) than any cargo ship.

The dockworkers and port cities will hate it.

But your vision is also correct. It doesn't have to be rocketry or jet speeds to be useful aeronautically.

[muawiyah]

Assuming you can fly a plane with LENR you should be able to dispense with a good number of satellites.

[muawiyah]

Of note, we currently have a continuing problem with cities/ports that serve as points of 'break of bulk' in the US. They've been looking at alternative port sites around the Gulf of California in Mexico as a result.,

While no one was looking we actually ran out of places to build ports for ocean going ships.

One solution was to run container trains day and night from Mexican ports to Indianapolis, and also convert the East Side airport (a major field) into a place for disgorging passengers on European super size airplanes. That would give Indy the position NYC has had for the last 4 centuries!

If you followed the I35 discussions on FR you probably thought they were going to run the lines to Kansas City ~ but since this system would replace current EAST COAST sites Indy would be needed to do the job. KCMO and KANKAN are simply too far West!

LENR solves a problem ~ we would no longer need as many ships.

[Moonman62]

It would seem that powering an aircraft is about the last thing on the list to do with LENR.

NASA wants to demonstrate new ways to waste taxpayer money.

[Moonman62]

Well, COOL. If LENR is real, it is about darn time they do something with it other than demos - like power a car or an aircraft.

How about powering a night light for starters?

[muawiyah]

Friend of mine has a chandelier with 24 candelabra lights. He thinks it's time to cut the costs ~ so we looked up the price for an LED light and it's about $10.

We looked further and found a dealer who sells in units of 100 and he wants $2.30 for each light.

Best price I could find on the net for a traditional incandescent candelabra light with same lumens rating was $1.07 each.

What this means is the price of LEDs is falling like a rock!

The power consumption of an LED is remarkably low ~ many of the experimental set ups should be able to light one up.

We'll hold you to this one ~ an LED on an LENR operating unit.

Actually, this might be a fairly good test for almost any power source ~ to wit: However you can do it convert your excess heat or photons to electricity sufficient to charge up a fast charge microminiature battery sufficiently to power a 1 ma LED for 1 min.

Even a Tokamak can't meet that standard!

[Moonman62]

I can spend a dollar to get a solar powered LED light which uses power from hot nuclear fusion.