Posted on 06/19/2013 8:32:15 AM PDT by Altariel
Cop Hits Little Girl With Motorcycle Then Shoots and Kills Angry Dad
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I don’t think you can claim self-defense - when you go into the neighbourhood, nearly kill the kid and the father comes out.
The father was justifiably provoked, IMO.
He did injure the kid after all!
Glad you survived, you should have shot the boyfriend and wingman, end of assault.
There is no law/protocol on this planet that I will follow that will cause me to take a beating as opposed to protecting myself.
Right. I understand the father being angry and upset, but I will bet there was an element (perhaps a very strong element) of race anger involved, but at the same time, I would not discount the possibility that the father’s anger could have been wholly a manifestation of fear alone for the well being of his daughter.
I almost put my nephew’s eye out with a stick branch because I didn’t see him walk up beside me as broke and pulled a large branch off the tree. It was a pine, and the jagged broken edge gouged him quite hard in the eye area, which he immediately covered with both hands as he screamed. I dropped to my knees on the ground in front of him and quickly pulled his hands away, and the relief I felt at seeing a bleeding gouge on his cheekbone right under his eye did not let me forget the immediate anger that flooded into me a second later as I shouted “I told you to stay back”. Of course, that was immediately followed by instant regret and relief again. (Note: His parents received a house call from DYS when, after he went back to school and was asked what happened to his eye, told his interrogator that “My uncle hit me in the eye with a stick...”)
In the case of this guy, it sounded to me like they were barhopping or doing something at bars with at 4 year old kid at 10:30 PM and I felt that was irresponsible and not looking out for the welfare of his child, but I would reserve judgement. For all we know, he might have gone to the bar to get the keys to his apartment or something like that.
“I’m a cop! So chill!”
You and I will have to disagree on this.
Okay, I’m fine with no profanity or threats, but what exactly is racial or religious bigorty? Do we have to say only nice things about Mozlems, for instance? WHat about cop bashers who post hateful comments about all LEOs 90% of the time?
The thing that struck me was that the cop was trying to help the child even though he himself had suffered serious injuries . To me, that’s the reaction of a decent man.
Exactly. And when the “daddy” and cousin had beaten and kicked him to the ground, he was just supposed to suck it up and take it?
You obviously don't live in Baltimore. Hehe
In Bawl-tee-more, it's pretty much understood that the pedestrian has the right of way to cross the street, any street no matter how busy, wherever and whenever he/she pleases. It's pretty common to see two, three, even a whole group of 4-7 people crossing the street no where close to a traffic light or crosswalk.
And don't you dare shoot them a dirty look as you narrowly miss them with your car, whitey!
So basically you believe the cop (or anyone else who accidentally hits a child) should be open to violence from family members.
And as an aside, I think you are taking the statement "take it easy, I'm a cop" in the worst context possible. You probably think he said it sarcastically when he very well could have been saying it to let the family know he could help the little girl. Or, yes, perhaps he was saying it in response to the violent overatures of the family. Either way, what the cop said did not justify the family's actions.
Ya, well cops aren’t nearly as concerned with the victims of their mistakes as the rest of us are. Remember the LEO religionof “making it home”, is at all costs to others.
An old friend of mine had a son who was instructed not to play in the street, it was a quiet residential neighbborhood but under the supervision of his older brothers (mother was in house) he zoomed out from between cars and was hit and killed.
The driver was not found to be at fault. ANd this was during the daytime.
I cannot believe the nonsense idiocy on this thread.
You and I see this differently.
He probably knew this area, and had a good idea of what might happen to someone who is "the wrong color" involved in something like this.
Besides, if I stopped to help someone injured, I would say "I'm a paramedic/doctor/work in healthcare" to let people know I am helping the victim, that I know something about helping people who have been injured, and am not attempting to rob or scalp the poor person.
In his case, I would imagine it is his way of taking charge at the scene. I would have done the same. It dispenses with arguments that result from one person knowing nothing about the other. For all the father knew, the guy could have simply been a drunk bikie accountant.
Identifying himself does what they are trained to do. Set up a structure at the scene. I just don't see it as an arrogant move on the part of the guy.
Can’t shoot what you can’t see. That’s the first thing he went for, my glasses.
I did try to go in and get the phone, because I realized that I was home alone with two drunk guys, and that calling out would at least tell *someone* that I was in trouble. I did manage to dial up 9-11 before the phone got trashed.
First order of business - secure the area. I didn’t have a way to secure the area and security was already compromised with him being home and attacking me, and having my glasses knocked off.
Second order of business, tell someone where you are so that someone else knows what’s going on. I can’t stress how important that is. Difference between living and dying for many folks is that *someone else* knows where you are.
I didn’t manage to achieve that. So that left me with two dudes already in my threat area, and in a confined space. I could fight, or I could try to get out. I didn’t really have time to make the second decision if I got the first one wrong.
So I decided to bail and it worked out. I’m not regretting my decision to bail. It’s two dudes, and I don’t have the advantage of a prepared space and if I failed I wasn’t getting a second chance.
Just didn’t have the time or the space to grab a gun and shoot. I risked a lot retreating back into my room, and it didn’t pay off. So I decided it was best to get out.
It was tough enough just getting out. I had to run into him, which is what he didn’t expect, so he tried to grab and pin me. I was able to block him and break his choke. After that I was ok.
What should I have done? Fight back? Even if I do knock one of them down successfully, what’s stopping them from calling the cops on me and reporting me for assault? I’m not a LEO, and nobody would take my side on it.
This way I was able to get out and put the dude behind bars. That was the first thing he claimed when he was arrested that I had assaulted him. Despite the fact I had all the cuts and whatnot.
LOL. Now THAT sounds like something directly out of “Atlas Shrugged”. “The Anti-Stand Your Ground Law”.
” You realize the cop laid his bike down to
lessen the severity of the impact on the
child and suffered a broken leg and
shoulder as a result?”
You realize the likelyhood of him having time to think like that is low? As one person earlier commented, laying it down is bike speak for panicking.
Bikers and cops are both routinely careless when driving. Combine the two...
“He probably knew this area, and had a good idea of what might happen to someone who is “the wrong color” involved in something like this.”
He didn’t have many good options. I think he did the right thing in trying to save the kid’s life. But - at a cost to his own mobility in a heavy threat area at night. Not just the bike but also his ability to respond to the situation.
Fleeing only works if you have a place to flee too- me it was a public place where other people would see me. If I’m in a neighbourhood where I don’t think I can trust anyone at all, then that doesn’t give me the option to flee.
Breaking his leg, and shoulder blade cost him that option of retreat and at least getting out. That means that his number one priority has to be to contact his dispatch. That way, at least you know that help is on the way.
His first thought with the father should be - “how can I make sure that I get on the phone so that I can call the people who need to know so that I can get this situation straight?”
Telling the angry father - “Hey I’m a LEO, Obey”, is bad, bad, thinking on your feet. It made a bad situation worse. If, as you say, the cop was aware this was a bad neighbourhood, he’s making a couple assumptions here.
1, that these are the kind of people who would respond positively to “I’m an LEO”.
2, that he was in a situation of command and control when he had neither.
He was already ‘out of playbook’ after the accident and the problem is that he applied the playbook to an ‘out of playbook situation.’ He had to think quickly after the accident and realize that yes, “I’m in an out of playbook situation”, and how to take control of the situation in a fashion that will work.
He failed to do that and as a result the dad is dead.
Well, like I said it worked out and you made it through. Good ending this time.
No kidding, I used to live a few miles from there. Cautiously driving while white in that area.
"..Hey I’m a LEO, okay?"
Now, if he had told them to keep back as they shouted at him, and were advancing on him menacingly and he said "Hey I’m a LEO, Obey!" I could even forgive that.
After all, he was involved in an accident himself...so he might have been a bit shaky too, and not thinking as clear.
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