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To: Colofornian

Before those claiming to be Christians become overly critical of Mormons for their past teachings about race, they should probably examine the history of their own church.

In 1978 Mormons abandoned their teachings about black inferiority. Lots of other church groups had similar or even more harsh teachings, and gave them up not too long before that.

The Southern Baptists are called that because they split off because they objected to criticism of slavery from northern Baptists. A lot of southern (and other ) Protestant groups taught innate black inferiority at least up into the 60s, often basing this on ludicrous misinterpretations of Scripture involving the Curse of Cain or the curse of Canaan, etc. From about the 1880s to the 1920s or so this was a consensus in America.

The Catholic Church in America was strongly opposed to abolition of slavery.

I believe Jesus had something to say about motes and beams.


88 posted on 06/09/2013 9:00:09 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
In 1978 Mormons abandoned their teachings about black inferiority.

Like how the South in the late 19th century "abandoned" their teachings about black slavehood & inferiority.

How long, Sherm, did that really take to shake out? How many generations? Something rooted so deep took over a century, Sherm. So why can't you acknowledge that it's likely to be 2100 or close to it before a real INWARD "abandonment" takes shape?

89 posted on 06/09/2013 9:03:28 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Sherman Logan
In 1978 Mormons abandoned their teachings about black inferiority....The Southern Baptists are called that because they split off because they objected to criticism of slavery from northern Baptists. A lot of southern (and other ) Protestant groups taught innate black inferiority at least up into the 60s, often basing this on ludicrous misinterpretations of Scripture involving the Curse of Cain or the curse of Canaan, etc. From about the 1880s to the 1920s or so this was a consensus in America. The Catholic Church in America was strongly opposed to abolition of slavery.I believe Jesus had something to say about motes and beams.

Such a strange statement, chronologically speaking. A group that only left these teachings at their altar in 1978 is indirectly defended here...And yet the Southern Baptists and Catholics that indeed shed the beams of racism it held (Catholics by the 1860s, when the abolition movement abolished slavery) -- and the mixed-bag Protestants, tho later, yet 'tween the 1860s and well before 1978, are castigated.

[Note: My reference to "indirectly defended" here includes any lack of real critique of Mormon racism by you.]

So, you don't think the Catholics & Protestants ALREADY removed those real beams you reference?

What hoops do they STILL need to jump thru to make ANY decisive clear statements on racism? (Or are they FOREVER banned in your eyes from condemning racism?)

90 posted on 06/09/2013 9:10:56 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Sherman Logan
In 1978 Mormons abandoned their teachings about black inferiority.

These Book of Mormon verses below have NOT been abandoned, Sherman -- other than 2 Nephi 30:6 in the Book of Mormon:

Here's five Book of Mormon verses below talking about how the "skin of blackness" is a "cursing" based upon their "iniquity" (2 Nephi 5:21; Alma 3:6; Jacob 3:5) and how when the curse would be removed, they would again become "white" (3 Nephi 2:15), which the Book of Mormon says is a "delightsome" color (2 Nephi 5:21; cf. older version of 2 Nephi 30:6):

The Mormon "prophets" Nephi, Alma and the Mormon Jacob are racists!

* "And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceeding fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them." (2 Nephi 5:21)

* "...many generations shall not pass away among them, save they shall be a white and delightsome people." (2 Nephi 30:6, pre-1981 versions...changed from unknown reasons in 1981 to "fair and delightsome"...It's not like the Mormon church has the supposed gold plates to go back and look to interpret a word differently)

* "And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against the their brethren..." (Alma 3:6)

* "Behold, the Lamanites your brethren, whom ye hate because of their filthiness and the cursing which hath come upon their skins..." (Jacob 3:5) [Note: The "Lamanites" per Mormonism are Native Americans...so their skin color, says Mormon "scripture" is based upon a supposed curse]

91 posted on 06/09/2013 9:13:38 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Sherman Logan
Before those claiming to be Christians become overly critical of Mormons for their past teachings about race, they should probably examine the history of their own church.

#1...As I showed in my last post, those aren't just past teachings...they are STILL referenced as "Scripture" revealed by the Mormon god, who holds to these vantage points.

#2...Point me to a racist Catholic pope who has made similar statements to what the Lds leaders taught.

#3...The Protestants don't have a head "prophet" or a Pope...and you therefore can't treat some sermon uttered somewhere by a 19th-century Protestant pastor as representative of Protestantism across the board...or as portending to represent God Himself as spoken by His Word.

Mormon statements DO claim to be God's DIRECT Word. And DO claim to be God's DIRECT very vocal chord statement on the issue.

Condemning a Protestant leader for some opinion is quite distinct from condemning a false prophecy that portends to come DIRECTLY from God's mouth.

93 posted on 06/09/2013 9:18:08 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Sherman Logan

In 1978 Mormons abandoned their teachings about black inferiority
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and in 2012 the Mormons abandoned a Mormon running as the Republican candidate for Congress because she was black and a woman and a Conservative therefore still inferior...

and let the white male liberal non-Mormon Democrat win the seat...

I call that spiteful...


104 posted on 06/09/2013 10:54:21 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Sherman Logan

In 1978 Mormons abandoned their teachings about black inferiority
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oh I did say that was “conservative” Utah didnt I ???


105 posted on 06/09/2013 10:55:25 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Sherman Logan
Protestant groups taught innate black inferiority at least up into the 60s, often basing this on ludicrous misinterpretations of Scripture involving the Curse of Cain or the curse of Canaan, etc.

Sorry, but at LEAST scripture was MISinterpreted; not DISTINCTLY written into it!


2 Nephi 5: 21
 'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'

Alma 3: 6

 'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'

146 posted on 06/09/2013 4:20:28 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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